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post #151 of 239 (permalink) Old 08-10-2015, 09:48 AM
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I mean, how sad is it that women are actually worried about whether someone can see if our nipples are erect? And that we end up wearing giant pillows over our breasts so that we can simultaneously pretend to have boobs 3 cups larger AND that they are just Barbie breasts -- don't worry kiddos, no actual real body parts here, just some plastic bumps.
So does this paradise exist right now where you can expose your breasts in public while you are taking your semester exams / closing business contracts / attending your chosen place of worship?

I am just pointing out that this paradise that you speak of I do not know where it exists on earth, do you?

I am curious as to why it does not exist. In societies where women do expose their breasts, all I see is regular subjugation of those women. And in the Middle East it's worse, women there cannot even expose more than a set of eyes and are still subjugated.

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So does this paradise exist right now where you can expose your breasts in public while you are taking your semester exams / closing business contracts / attending your chosen place of worship?

I am just pointing out that this paradise that you speak of I do not know where it exists on earth, do you?

I am curious as to why it does not exist. In societies where women do expose their breasts, all I see is regular subjugation of those women. And in the Middle East it's worse, women there cannot even expose more than a set of eyes and are still subjugated.
??? Who said anything about paradise????

All I know is that in some places, people don't make such a big deal about nudity. A nude beach is an example of this. Greek gymnasiums where men and women exercised in the nude is another example of this. Roman toilets that had no privacy wall is another example of this. Tribal societies where people are naked or nearly naked most of the time are another example of this.

Are all of these women subjugated? Maybe. But my point isn't about whether women are subjugated, but whether it's inevitable that an erect nipple must be viewed as some sort of giant turn on.

And I'm thinking it's only in this culture where we are constantly hypersexualizing women and their breasts that this is actually the case.

Indeed, in a way, you've made my point for me: where women are considered so sexual that they need to be blanketed in a burqua to protect them, even a glimpse of hair or an ankle is sufficient to be embarrasingly sexual.

In the Victorian era, they covered the piano legs because *they* were thought to be too sexual.
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No.

Are you trying to argue that societies that allow women to regularly expose their top half have a better deal for women overall?
Well actually....where I live, nudity isn't a big deal. And yes, I'd say women have a great deal here, overall. It is not illegal to be topless for men or women where I live and women do go topless sometimes. We also have co-ed dressing rooms in some public pools, and we also have some nude beaches. There are non-conformists who will literally just ride through town on their bikes naked (and not even on naked bike day) because they refuse to be told what to wear. Women who breast feed sometimes take their whole shirt off, because that's just easier for them. If you stare, you are considered extremely rude and it will be made clear to you that you are being a jerk. I have been in corporate board meetings with breast feeding topless moms, and no one bats an eye. Strip clubs are common and sex work is accepted (even though still not legal). There are basically naked people everywhere around here.

True we don't typically walk down the street naked, but that does happen, too.

So yeah, I've seen people be really chill about adult nudity without raping each other and yeah, I'd say we women have a pretty good deal going on here where I live. It is not the nudity that causes problems in the societies you've mentioned, it is their whole system. Whereas, you take a liberal utopia like where I live and nudity is accepted for what it is....totally natural.
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All that to hide the unspeakable nipple?

Reminds me of women's fashions from a hundred years ago when our bodies were corseted, molded, wired, padded....hey, maybe we haven't come such a long way baby?

Sigh.
who knows, maybe some day the nipple will be acceptable, even building the bras with built-in high beams

and hopefully mirror sunglasses will also came back into fad
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T-shirts with pictures over the breasts really do encourage staring. Its natural to try to see what the words / pictures are. Then you find you have been staring at a woman's breasts for several seconds trying to read / interpret the picture.

This is absolutely not an excuse to grope.


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I can relate! When I was younger, I used to alter my dress habits to get away from this sort of crap. For example, I stopped wearing t-shirts with any kind of logo, writing, or picture on them because random guys kept using this as an excuse to grope me.

But now that I am older and fewer people (if any) care, and I have a force field and strong filters, I really haven't got a nanosecond of attention for guys like that. If you can't talk to me as a person, well you can't talk to me. Simple.
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who knows, maybe some day the nipple will be acceptable, even building the bras with built-in high beams
They already did. Not a big seller, though. These were back in the 70's when not only was it in fashion to let your nips show, it was desirable...and if you couldn't get the full pop out look, you could buy one of these.

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They already did. Not a big seller, though. These were back in the 70's when not only was it in fashion to let your nips show, it was desirable...and if you couldn't get the full pop out look, you could buy one of these.

holly cow, I like it

maybe someday again.

I hope that's not $2,000 and $ 150 s/h

The Nipple Bra Is The 1970s Most Confusing Contribution To Lingerie History (PHOTO)


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I am googling like crazy to find one for my wife.


the only thing, so far, I can find:
Amazon.com: Bra with Open Nipple in One Size and Plus Size in Black, Red or White: Adult Exotic Bras: Clothing



I found these:
http://www.thebreastformstore.com/fake-nipples2.aspx

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Um...I'm assuming your wife has actual nipples. Why would she need one of these?
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Um...I'm assuming your wife has actual nipples. Why would she need one of these?

yea the last link I guess are prosthetic.

but the bra you showed would just be for the high beam effect.
I never knew those existed

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They already did. Not a big seller, though. These were back in the 70's when not only was it in fashion to let your nips show, it was desirable...and if you couldn't get the full pop out look, you could buy one of these.

Well... that's practically wearing a shirt going "Look look at my bewbies! Look!"

Way to stop traffic...
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Is there something for dudes with our low beams.

I am such a tree hugger because it gives me wood!
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Whereas, you take a liberal utopia like where I live and nudity is accepted for what it is....totally natural.
Sure, the naked body is natural; that goes without saying. There are lots of things that can be given the label of natural. It doesn't mean it belongs in every environment and situation.
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Sure, the naked body is natural; that goes without saying. There are lots of things that can be given the label of natural. It doesn't mean it belongs in every environment and situation.
Meh, I say it would be fine, even better, if we were all mostly naked and ate natural foods. I love the type of society we live in, but I can easily imagine living as a nudist or say, living like the ancient Hawaiians did....ahhh....to live in that perfect climate, never cut your hair, put flowers in it, and swim in the ocean every day....and be nude most of the time? Sounds like paradise, actually.
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