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Jessie Graf, the stuntwoman from the tv show Supergirl, just successfully aced the obstacle course on American Ninja Warrior. There are articles all over the net about how great she is. Ugh, did they do the same for the countless male contestants who killed it on American Ninja Warrior? I would say no. When women succeed, it's high praise about women empowerment but when men succeed at the same thing, it's crickets.


It's because it's taken for granted that men will be much physically stronger; most of the time, overall.

For a woman to reach that level is the acme of achievement; to be as good as a man. Believe it or not, that is what many women have been conditioned to aim for.

This is proven by the fact that when men do so-called "feminine" things; they are ridiculed. Case in point, look at the opinions about "man buns" on this thread. It's seen as degrading, laughable, to do anything that might be seen as feminine.

To excel at something masculine, is the utmost form of excellence. So, that's why the female Ninja champion is getting so much praise.
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It's because it's taken for granted that men will be much physically stronger; most of the time, overall.

For a woman to reach that level is the acme of achievement; to be as good as a man. Believe it or not, that is what many women have been conditioned to aim for.

This is proven by the fact that when men do so-called "feminine" things; they are ridiculed. Case in point, look at the opinions about "man buns" on this thread. It's seen as degrading, laughable, to do anything that might be seen as feminine.

To excel at something masculine, is the utmost form of excellence. So, that's why the female Ninja champion is getting so much praise.
That reminds me of something @intheory once said: "We are all expected to be the best man we can be."

Another problem is when "equality" is based on a male standard.
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That reminds me of something @intheory once said: "We are all expected to be the best man we can be."

Another problem is when "equality" is based on a male standard.
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I couldn't agree more.

What is your opinion jld? How do women regain innate worth just for being women?

When I was watching the Olympics; I watched female rhythmic gymnastics and team synchronized swimming. Those are two sports that are exclusively feminine at the Olympics.

The commentator said that a men's synchronized swimming event might be coming in the next Olympics.

And I thought that would be very interesting; and I could also already hear the jeers and ridicule that those men might face. (There's a classic SNL skit with Martin Short that makes fun of it)

Men could probably do a lot more challenging acrobatic skills because of their muscular strength. Men have always been fantastic acrobats.

But there would be that dreadful "taint" of competing in a "woman's" sport.
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I couldn't agree more.

What is your opinion jld? How do women regain innate worth just for being women?

When I was watching the Olympics; I watched female rhythmic gymnastics and team synchronized swimming. Those are two sports that are exclusively feminine at the Olympics.

The commentator said that a men's synchronized swimming event might be coming in the next Olympics.

And I thought that would be very interesting; and I could also already hear the jeers and ridicule that those men might face. (There's a classic SNL skit with Martin Short that makes fun of it)

Men could probably do a lot more challenging acrobatic skills because of their muscular strength. Men have always been fantastic acrobats.

But there would be that dreadful "taint" of competing in a "woman's" sport.
I think we just have to believe in ourselves, without getting defensive.

And I think men just have to believe in themselves, without getting defensive.

We all want support. But sometimes we have to give it to ourselves until everybody else catches up.
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I think we just have to believe in ourselves, without getting defensive.

And I think men just have to believe in themselves, without getting defensive.

We all want support. But sometimes we have to give it to ourselves until everybody else catches up.
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Can I admit that I can't lift heavy objects as easily as a man.....'cause if I do admit it (and I do)....what does that mean?

I should still be able to vote, right? I think so. I'm an adult member of the human race; even if I can't easily lift 50#.

I don't want to be a crane operator, or a soldier, or a miner, or a deep sea fisherman, or President of Anything.

Is it okay if I don't.....am I "less than" women who want to do those things and succeed at them?

Are men who are cooks, and ballet dancers, and kindergarten teachers, and nurses; "lesser" men? I don't think so. I've never viewed them as unmasculine.

Back to the OP. If men are losing grip strength; I would imagine that women are too. Does that matter as much? Is it okay if women are physically weaker and less fit than before?
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Can I admit that I can't lift heavy objects as easily as a man.....'cause if I do admit it (and I do)....what does that mean?

I should still be able to vote, right? I think so. I'm an adult member of the human race; even if I can't easily lift 50#.

I don't want to be a crane operator, or a soldier, or a miner, or a deep sea fisherman, or President of Anything.

Is it okay if I don't.....am I "less than" women who want to do those things and succeed at them?

Are men who are cooks, and ballet dancers, and kindergarten teachers, and nurses; "lesser" men? I don't think so. I've never viewed them as unmasculine.

Back to the OP. If men are losing grip strength; I would imagine that women are too. Does that matter as much? Is it okay if women are physically weaker and less fit than before?
Most of us are not as physically strong as we would have been a hundred years ago in a society that required a lot of physical labor.

What makes me sad is that many of us are not as emotionally strong as we now have the resources to be.
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It's because it's taken for granted that men will be much physically stronger; most of the time, overall.

For a woman to reach that level is the acme of achievement; to be as good as a man. Believe it or not, that is what many women have been conditioned to aim for.

This is proven by the fact that when men do so-called "feminine" things; they are ridiculed. Case in point, look at the opinions about "man buns" on this thread. It's seen as degrading, laughable, to do anything that might be seen as feminine.

To excel at something masculine, is the utmost form of excellence. So, that's why the female Ninja champion is getting so much praise.
I don't know if you ladies have seen the new online catch phrase going around called "Fight Like A Girl." That would contradict women trying to be something masculine.
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Most of us are not as physically strong as we would have been a hundred years ago in a society that required a lot of physical labor.



What makes me sad is that many of us are not as emotionally strong as we now have the resources to be.
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If it is physical strength that one wants to consider, gender can make a difference but the adage of "choose the right parents and don't get old" would be a huge consideration.

Emotional and maturity "strength" can be genetically determined but is also factored in by environment cues, regardless of gender.


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I wasn't laughing at you @notmyrealname4.

I'm sorry you thought I was picking on you. I thought your post was great. I don't know what else to say. I'm sure a man bun is fine. So what? Your hair has to stay out of the way.

Were you going for fashion or for safety? It is what it is.
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The people that make the wheels go around in no particular order:


farming (at all levels)

trash collection and disposal (I've lived in a country where the trash collectors go on strike; unbelievable how quickly you get rats)

water sanitation and sewage disposal ( a big part of of the reason why our lifespans have increased)

construction workers (it's nice to have houses to live in and roads to drive on)

energy production---from coal miners to nuclear engineers


All work is necessary; but some of it is a lot more necessary.

Computers won't "go away", but we got along okay without them; I don't think they should disappear. But I think it's wrong to rely on them too much.

There seems to be an attitude of disdain on this thread for people who do gritty, "dirty" work. At the same time, a "woe is us" attitude about men being "feminized" and losing their grip strength.

I've worked in manufacturing plants (mostly food). A lot of the pain to the body comes from the fact that there is very little effort put into aiding these folks to do the jobs.

A station where cardboard boxes are being thrown together (in seconds), is not physically high enough, so that most of us were hunched over; the pain to your back and neck comes from holding that posture for hours. But if those workplaces were ergonomically designed for the good of the human workers, I guarantee you the wear and tear on our bodies would be greatly reduced.

Since manufacturing workers are considered low, despised because they don't have a college education; ensuring their physical comfort and safety is not seen as necessary. There is a sky high turnover rate at such places.

The sign at the time clock that boasts "--- days since last workplace accident", is a good idea. But as someone up thread said about farmers missing knuckles, it's different once the line is moving and there is pressure to be as fast as possible. IOW, a lot of the safety doctrine is just words. The real truth is you are supposed to go as fast as possible, and if that means sticking your finger in real fast to grab at something before turning something off.......

If we valued manufacturing, and sought it's healthy return to our country; that might change. Health, safety, comfortable working conditions---even for the grunts on the bottom. What a concept.

Of course, we don't have much of a manufacturing base left....that's another issue of course.


What's wrong with a man "bun"? A guy with long hair, pulls it off his face, twists it and secures it on top of his head. Whoopdee****ingdo.
I so want to give this 1000 likes. You have read my mind, right up to the man bun point. Sorry it is a deep prejudice on my part.

I posted about farmers loosing knuckles. I still remember going to shake hands with a hard man who was polite enough to come and introduce himself to a lowly teenage shovel pusher. He showed good manners. Then I nearly panicked realising he was missing part of his hand, and how could I shake his hand, and did it show on my face. To me his gesture of coming to shake my hand even when he had a damaged hand meant so much. It also left me determined to do everything I could to keep all digits attached.
Luckily I became an office worker, but even there I still found issues. My job included managing a mechanical printer, which came with a warning to take off your tie before opening the cover. If your tie caught it could choke you or break your neck. But no-one in the office warned me or even showed me the manual.
I wish industrial accidents were investigated as thoroughly as road accidents. And places with too many accidents should see the managers charged.

One of my office tasks was to assess the ergonomics of new computer workstations. When I told my mother about this she needed me to describe ergonomics. She had worked for years in a food factory but the ergonomics there had never been assessed.

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I wasn't laughing at you @notmyrealname4.

I'm sorry you thought I was picking on you. I thought your post was great. I don't know what else to say. I'm sure a man bun is fine. So what? Your hair has to stay out of the way.

Were you going for fashion or for safety? It is what it is.


I didn't think you were laughing at me. You are entitled to think whatever you want about man buns; especially if you think they might be a hazard for certain jobs.

I'm a female, lol, so I don't have a man bun. But I think long hair on guys is great, and that man buns are great for a man that wants to keep his hair long, but just pull it out of the way sometimes.
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I don't know if you ladies have seen the new online catch phrase going around called "Fight Like A Girl." That would contradict women trying to be something masculine.
You'd think so, becareful; but I don't think "Fight Like A Girl" is a tribute to femininity.

It's a tribute to women who are now fighting (in MMA, as an example), just like only men used to be able to do.

"You've come a long way baby, you can now fight like a man. But, of course you're not a man, so we'll say "Fight Like A Girl""

It's also a play on words on the old slurs against femininity: ie, "throws like a girl", "runs like a girl". Those were jokes about the perceived pathetic quality about athletic women.

It's been reinvented to be a catchy, positive anthem for women who can now beat each other up in the ring
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I so want to give this 1000 likes. You have read my mind, right up to the man bun point. Sorry it is a deep prejudice on my part.

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Luckily I became an office worker, but even there I still found issues. My job included managing a mechanical printer, which came with a warning to take off your tie before opening the cover. If your tie caught it could choke you or break your neck. But no-one in the office warned me or even showed me the manual.
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Ahh, just realised, I bet the manual said to tie up long hair too. So it approved on man buns. I need to re-assess.

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I don't know if you ladies have seen the new online catch phrase going around called "Fight Like A Girl." That would contradict women trying to be something masculine.
I never understood the "fight like a girl" phrase.
I saw girls fight at school, they fight dirty, they scratch, they choke, they go for the face or below the belt.
As a martial artist, my fiercest student opponent was a girl. She wanted to make me bleed and put me in hospital. Given a split second mistake on my part she would have.
I trained males and females in self defense. We didn't train them for MMA, just simple self defense. The females had slightly lower average physical ability. Part of that was from a general reluctance to fight, once that was overcome the difference was far less. And the males often also were reluctant and weak, just like the thread title.
I grew up with the phrase "you hit like a girl". Many of our students male and female did not even know how to punch. We had to train them to punch without hurting themselves and so their punch would have an impact. Just knowing they didn't have to cower in fear made many of them far more comfortable.
Overall it suggested people are getting weaker, not just men.

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I so want to give this 1000 likes. You have read my mind, right up to the man bun point. Sorry it is a deep prejudice on my part.

I posted about farmers loosing knuckles. I still remember going to shake hands with a hard man who was polite enough to come and introduce himself to a lowly teenage shovel pusher. He showed good manners. Then I nearly panicked realising he was missing part of his hand, and how could I shake his hand, and did it show on my face. To me his gesture of coming to shake my hand even when he had a damaged hand meant so much. It also left me determined to do everything I could to keep all digits attached.
Luckily I became an office worker, but even there I still found issues. My job included managing a mechanical printer, which came with a warning to take off your tie before opening the cover. If your tie caught it could choke you or break your neck. But no-one in the office warned me or even showed me the manual.
I wish industrial accidents were investigated as thoroughly as road accidents. And places with too many accidents should see the managers charged.

One of my office tasks was to assess the ergonomics of new computer workstations. When I told my mother about this she needed me to describe ergonomics. She had worked for years in a food factory but the ergonomics there had never been assessed.
Not sure where you work but every manufacturing facility I've been in in the last decade has spent truck loads of money on ergonomics. And road accident investigations don't hold a candle to the accident investigations performed. It's to the point that most go unreported because the interviews and paperwork involved is painful in its self. And yes managers have been charged for accidents.

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