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Has Mueller lost creditability?

It appears that the partisan connections between Mueller's team and Clinton/Democrats are becoming clearer, has the independent council lost credibility. I know the scuttlebutt proffered is that Trump may fire Mueller, and even the investigator have a right to their political opinion, but I have my doubts about the independence of the investigation. Since Mueller did not have to select attorneys who had made donations to, and at least from my perspective based on what I learned that some a clearly anti-Trump, it gives an appearance of bias that could have been avoided. Perhaps Mueller selected a Hillery supporting team because he felt they'd look harder to find evidence they could hang their hat on and if none was found, people couldn't claim the investigation was half assed.
If the shoe were on the other foot where the situation were reversed and most of Mueller's team were Trump supporter, how would that fair in public opinion and what, if any, corrective action should be taken?


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Re: Has Mueller lost creditability?

No, he has not lost credibility, no more than Ken Starr lost credibility during the Clinton Investigation which resulted in impeachment.

Trying Robert Mueller in the public opinion sphere rather than through the courts is a common tactic when one side wants to stop the other side but knows that firing would result in bigger problem.


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Donít forget the two FBI agents in question have been relieved of their duties under the direction of Robert Mueller. Both of them were having an affair using their official phones (how stupid)... They had as many disparaging words for Trump as they did for Clinton and Bernie Sanders, but I realize that part is rarely mentioned in some media markets.


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In the end, does it matter? Mueller isn't a judge or jurist. It's his job to investigate and, if warranted, bring charges.
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Re: Has Mueller lost creditability?

No. His credibility will be judged by the quality of his work. I mean, it's not like he's a Hispanic judge or something where we know ahead of time that he couldn't possibly work with integrity.
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@VladDraculd, you don't find it bizarre this bromance between Trump and Putin?

When Don Jr tells you that the majority of their financing comes from Russia, that doesn't raise flags to you?

Do you equate the FBI with the KGB?

Have you thought about what life in the US might be like if / when Trump tightens greater control over everyday life?

It's been rumored that Trump wants to start his own police. Great way to start is to discredit the police that we already have. To defend the thugs in Charlottseville (satisfies staffing needs) ; to support a candidate like Roy Moore who is also a Putin admirer.

The members in Congress who railed at Rosenstein, I'm not sure what they get out of it long term than long term getting out of a job..... Does Russia even have a legislative body?
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Re: Has Mueller lost creditability?

Also, you don't find Trump's support of Michael Flynn a bit heavy handed given how red handed Flynn has been caught?
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It appears that the partisan connections between Mueller's team and Clinton/Democrats are becoming clearer, has the independent council lost credibility. I know the scuttlebutt proffered is that Trump may fire Mueller, and even the investigator have a right to their political opinion, but I have my doubts about the independence of the investigation. Since Mueller did not have to select attorneys who had made donations to, and at least from my perspective based on what I learned that some a clearly anti-Trump, it gives an appearance of bias that could have been avoided. Perhaps Mueller selected a Hillery supporting team because he felt they'd look harder to find evidence they could hang their hat on and if none was found, people couldn't claim the investigation was half assed.
If the shoe were on the other foot where the situation were reversed and most of Mueller's team were Trump supporter, how would that fair in public opinion as what, if any, corrective action should be taken?
By these "partisan connections" are you referring to the single FBI agent who texted anti-trump stuff and was removed from the investigation once Muller found out about it?

and by "what I learned that some a clearly anti-Trump" you mean what you heard on Fox News last night?
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Donít forget the two FBI agents in question have been relieved of their duties under the direction of Robert Mueller. Both of them were having an affair using their official phones (how stupid)... They had as many disparaging words for Trump as they did for Clinton and Bernie Sanders, but I realize that part is rarely mentioned in some media markets.
Even if they weren't relieved of their duties for the content of their text they should have been for sending possibly incriminating texts of unsecured messaging and being too stupid to work for the FBI. They could have down loaded Signal for free.
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Does anyone find Kushner credible? Can someone who can not fill out job applications correctly be able to broker peace in various parts of the world while at the same time managing innovation in the US economy.

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I’ll be the first to say that just as soon as the ”Russiagate” noose starts to tighten around “The Donald’s” neck or anyone remotely in proximity to him, Mueller will become yet another victim of a GOP White House “massacre,” similar to “Tricky D!ck’s” unceremonious firing of Special Watergate Prosecutor Archibald Cox!

Don’t really look for 2018 to be a stellar year for either Trump or the GOP!

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I heard on the news that groups are planning demonstrations if /when Trump fires Mueller. IF it's announced in the morning, the demos will start at 5pm. If announced in the afternoon, then they will take place at noon the next day.
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Trump can't fire Mueller.

He has to order someone else to do it. Since Sessions recused, it is up to Rod Rosenstein.
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Trump could Rosenstein and find someone who will fire Mueller.

in Watergate, the Saturday night massacre was when Nixon fire both the AG and Asst AG because they would not fire the Special Counsel. When Nixon found someone who would fire the special counsel, that's when Congress moved to impeach him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

If Trump were to do that today, perhaps the GOP Congress would support him and impeach him. If the Dems took Congress in2018, he would definitely be impeached.

I read the polls and I watch the news. I do wonder how the average American taking this in. But Trump is making enemies group by group. But the GOP make it difficult for people of color to vote........
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I wonder if Congress were to defund Mueller's office, would it be possible to support it then by GoFundMe.
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