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post #76 of 158 (permalink) Old 02-14-2018, 06:55 PM
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A wealthy Trump friend pays off a woman who claimed she had sex with Trump. It was during a campaign and she saw an opportunity to grab some green. The sex was consensual.

But when Bill Clinton has claims of rape and workplace sexual harassment and sexual assault, what did Bill and Hillary do? They set out to destroy the women's lives. And we can toss in lying under oath and lying on tv wagging a finger at us "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky".

So, consensual sex and a payoff during the election on one hand, and multiple accusations of sexual assault/rape/harassment with the women's lives being systematically destroyed on the other.

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My comments were related to the press coverage, not the actions.

The open ended investigations that both Clinton's have gone through were major media stories back then, while today the so called liberal media is paying lip service to current events.

The so called liberal media were plastered with curiosity candidate Trump in 2016, and even negative press was drowned out. If my cat had received that much free coverage he'd be president now.

As to "lied under oath" that was Bill's stupidity. He could have pulled a Reagan or two but nooo, he had to wiggle his finger at the camera.

Remind me again if the so called liberal media screamed after it became clear we went to war on fake evidence?
John, you said, “The same people that crucified Bill Clinton for his affairs are now chill with Stormy et al..”. That doesn’t sound one bit like you were talking about press coverage, but rather a comparison of American’s opinion of the two....but if you say so.

“Open ended”? Your memory in the Clinton case could use some refreshing. You might take a few minutes to do that.

By the way, your reference to Clinton wagging his finger to the camera had nothing to do with lying under oath. He lied under oath in the Paula Jones deposition and encouraged Lewinsky and his secretary to lie about it. The infamous wagging was in a public statement about Lewinsky in Jan 1998. Then in Aug 1998 he gave false and misleading statements to the federal grand jury.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Just gonna throw this out there, but methinks it is because the dems don't like him and don't like being called out on their hypocrisy.

I don't "like" him either BTW.
Which is the very same thing that Slick Willie was impeached and tried for ~ he lied, added to the sad fact that the loyal opposition didn't like either him or his wife ~ and it was all done at a taxpayer cost of better than $5 Mil!

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That was 1969. and many pundits believe that his bid for president sank with that car.

So what's next?

Today we want to contemplate what the easy availability of firearms means for our young people.
Define easy availability .
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I think computer games and social media are a much bigger problem than firearms.

The access to the internet and all the garbage on it to young unmature kids without parents controling and helping them realize whats fake or propaganda minds being brainwashed by porn and violence and radical veiw points

Things like not being able to wear a tee shirt with the american flag,or singing the star spangled banner etc etc etc.
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There is a significant correlation between pharmaceuticals and mass public shootings. Much stronger than any correlation to gun availability, background checks, bans on certain types of weapons or cosmetic features of weapons. However, the goal is gun bans and confiscation, not public safety. Today's events are a convenient vehicle to a long standing goal.
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The Clinton's have been under the microscope since the dark ages. Did anyone ever come up with worthy evidence?

Wikipedia says...

Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as*Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of*Attorney General of the United States*Janet Reno, conducted a wide ranging investigation of alleged abuses including*the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Clinton's conduct during the*sexual harassment*lawsuit filed by a former*Arkansas*government employee,*Paula Jones.

That sounds pretty open ended. And, of course, taped conversations later on. Bill's stupidity was that he underestimated the consequences of claiming nothing happened. A serious mistake for the "empathy president".

At the end, nothing came of it. Dog and pony shows. Trump's stories aren't much different.

But he's from the party that puts morality on the pedestal. Do you see where it's going?

Of course, we had two straight arrow Presidents with few skeletons since and they were both reviled so... W and O. Between them I think one removed a matress tag or ran a yellow light or something.
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I don't recall any details surrounding the Lewinsky affair had to with violating campaign finance laws.

..... and the word you are looking for is "precedent."
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I have not compared Trump to Hitler. And not everybody thought Hitler was terrible, at least at first. He was Time's Man of the Year in 1936 and is noted for taking Germany out of a recession and making the trains run on time; and adding Germany's Autobahn system and and and.......
... and deporting/killing his political adversaries, Jews, and other undesirables. All under the guise of "restoring political order and national unity!" ~ Right!

"Hitler's Wall" was not an expensive one that was remotely built out of brick, mortar and steel ~ it was simply an inhuman one called "the Gestapo, the Brownshirts, the Nazi Party, and an ultra-supportive German electorate quite sympathetic to his visions!" Greatly under the mantra of "Make Germany Great Again!"

Sounds kind of Trumpish, doesn't it?

And you know, I hate to say it but Mexico may well end up building "the Wall," as our President has so boldly prophesied, if for no other reason than to keep us out!

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The ghettos that Jews and Gypsies were forced to live within were Hitler's walls.

History books refer to them as "hermetically sealed." they were essentially free range prisons. From the things I've read Schindler's list is a pretty good depiction. Entire families were shoved into a single room in an apartment so that other families can shoved into the rooms. The ghetto in Warsaw which today is razed to the ground was built around a street car track. that is, a staircase was built so that dwellers of the ghetto could get from one side to the other by taking the stairs over the street car line.

Those walls were also pretty well protected. If an inhabitant even touched the barbwire before the wall, he or she was instantly shot on sight, no questions asked. "Going to the wall" meant "to commit suicide."

Those were Hitler's walls.

Let's not forget the slave labor aspect of it. For a bit of bread and potato each day, they manufactured munitions, sewed uniforms, boots, saddles and other supplies for the very that was suppressing them.

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Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as*Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of*Attorney General of the United States*Janet Reno, conducted a wide ranging investigation of alleged abuses including*the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Clinton's conduct during the*sexual harassment*lawsuit filed by a former*Arkansas*government employee,*Paula Jones.

That sounds pretty open ended. And, of course, taped conversations later on. Bill's stupidity was that he underestimated the consequences of claiming nothing happened.
Thank you for refreshing your memory, that’s positive!

Open ended is a subjective term with vague and ambiguous interpretations but Reno had to approve Starr moving the investigation into Lewinsky and Tripp. Speaking of Tripp, she recorded Lewinsky not Clinton.

One could say less open than Mueller’s investigation actually - but in the end they’re both equal.

I will save my opinions on Clintons’ (plural) problems, in lieu of kindly correcting a few misstatements of facts.

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clinton being a philanderer and probably a rapist and trump being a morally corrupt dude don't have to be mutually exclusive concepts.

it seems whenever someone brings up trump as a bad dude, the only response from trump supporters are various flavors of 'whataboutism'.

what about when clinton did that, what about when so-and-so did this? it's not like you're fooling anyone: we know you're not trying to find hypocrisy because you're concerned about it. you're just trying to deflect.
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Thank you for refreshing your memory, that’s positive!

Open ended is a subjective term with vague and ambiguous interpretations but Reno had to approve Starr moving the investigation into Lewinsky and Tripp. Speaking of Tripp, she recorded Lewinsky not Clinton.

One could say less open than Mueller’s investigation actually - but in the end they’re both equal.

I will save my opinions on Clintons’ (plural) problems, in lieu of kindly correcting a few misstatements of facts.
Open ended as in, fishing expedition. The current investigation is a bit more focused, but the focus is on influence. And that's a big can of worms which ultimately will prove to be a waste of time and money.

I think everyone has a feeling about what has happened, and that it can't be proven. If we're comparing lying about a BJ vs money laundering vs propaganda vs fake news etc, they're all wrong. But this isn't a moral question. It's making sure that we don't sell out the government to the highest bidder.

Last few administrations have been very good about selling us out to corporate interests. It's not a stretch to sell us out to foreign interests.

At the end it doesn't matter for me. My EU passport is ready, and all I have to choose is Florence Italy vs Brest France (likely retirement spots). I figure in 7 years Mrs. Macron will finally reveal her secrets of not aging, and maybe the next Italian PM will create enough gossip to make it interesting.
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Open ended as in, fishing expedition. The current investigation is a bit more focused, but the focus is on influence. And that's a big can of worms which ultimately will prove to be a waste of time and money.

I think everyone has a feeling about what has happened, and that it can't be proven. If we're comparing lying about a BJ vs money laundering vs propaganda vs fake news etc, they're all wrong. But this isn't a moral question. It's making sure that we don't sell out the government to the highest bidder.
Your label of Clinton’s investigation of perjury in a deposition, obstruction of justice, and perjury in a Grand Jury a fishing expedition is baffling. These were real crimes and he deserved to answer for them just as any other American would do for lying under oath. I support the Trump investigation of collusion, but keep in mind collusion is not a crime nor is firing Comey obstruction. And looking at it’s geniuses objectively is suspect, using the kindest of terms.

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what about when clinton did that, what about when so-and-so did this? it's not like you're fooling anyone: we know you're not trying to find hypocrisy because you're concerned about it. you're just trying to deflect.
It's the reverse. We heard "nothingburger" repeatedly, consistently, for decades about the Clintons and others. Nobody on the left ever saw anything wrong with any sexual misconduct or crime by any Democrat, nor did anyone have a problem with scorched earth tactics to destroy the lives of accusers.

So the sudden finding of outrage against Trump is the real nothingburger. Hypocrisy to the core. It is not believable in any way.

Which is not to say I like Trump's personal life. I'm just saying the left has no credibility and zero moral authority to make Trump's personal life an issue.
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