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You are wrong. Since when don't explosives hurt people? Geez.. they just picked the wrong time to set them off. If they had gone to the same places with a gun on the days when they set off the explosives, there would not have been anyone to shoot so they would not have killed anyone with guns either.
Most teenager / deranged / unskilled bombardier wannabes don't seem to have a lot of luck with their handiwork.

Even the Boston Marathon baddies only got a handful.

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I would think it would be a weighty responsibility to be a designated Marshal. For whatever reason if the Marshal was unable to take down the shooter before he/she killed a handful of students, angry parents would turn their ire on that individual (the Marshal).


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Odds are good the marshals would never be needed after the first time.
Statistics show that the majority of these cowards turn the gun on themselves as soon as a good guy with a gun shows up. They are not brave warriors. They choose schools because they KNOW there will be no initial armed resistance in a Gun Free Zone. They pick the softest targets with the most amount of possible targets. get it dangerous for them and they won't even try.
A bigger problem is the press making them famous. They shouldn't release their name, picture or story for the next adderall addled kid to see and decide he wants to be famous. Never happen though ... gotta get the scoop even if all the info is incorrect and it costs lives.

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If we want to have a gun debate, I say make it as easy to vote as it is to purchase a gun, then we can begin that conversation. Until then, we have to look at what is practical.


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How ultracrepidarian of you. Maybe jump off the bandwagon and drop the rhetoric.Do a little research.
You don't even need an ID to vote, you do to buy a firearm then you have to fill out a form 4473 then have it sent through the national background check. If you lie on this form it's a felony, but NICS drops the ball occasionally( it is a govt program) so go after them to enforce that before trying to make up a bunch of new useless laws. Legal gun owners would get behind logical solutions, but the knee-jerk gun grabbers don't deal in logic, just standing on the still warm bodies of dead children pushing their false, rhetoric-filled agenda.

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I can’t handle this stupidity. I really stresses me out.
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I think when considering a policy for teachers to carry a weapon, I believe Kevin Dye of the Holliday Independent School district in TX, has a good point - this has to be a policy that is acceptable to the community. They also have multi layered standard operating procedure for those teachers who want to conceal carry (strictly voluntary with no pay incentives).

I don’t believe this should be a federal issue, it has to be community based. I still think the government can fund retrofitting schools to reduce soft entry points.


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What about making classroom doors so they are bulletproof, and once locked from the inside an intruder can't get in? I know right now schools are locking their doors during class, but that does very little to keep an intruder or bullets out
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What about making classroom doors so they are bulletproof, and once locked from the inside an intruder can't get in? I know right now schools are locking their doors during class, but that does very little to keep an intruder or bullets out


It may be cheaper (and more secure) to retrofit the school entry like we do for airport passenger areas than every individual classroom.


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So, I have quite a few teachers in my family for some reason. They are the absolute last people on earth that would be charging headfirst into a shooter. Like the thought is actually mind-blowing.

I saw this posted on another forum, shared it with my teacher family. They agreed that this would be how introducing a gun into school would go:

Talk to teachers. I think the goal in this is to make a lot more teachers quit their jobs. We undervalue them already I can't think of a faster way to make sure that our education system goes further down the drain.
I agree with the quote you posted (which I can't get to repost here) which basically illustrated that a gun in a locked safe is useless in the event of a live shooter situation.

My opinion is that a teacher with a legal concealed carry permit should be allowed to carry a loaded gun, concealed on their body, everywhere in the school. Since it would be concealed, the students wouldn't know who is carrying. Once all kids know that some teachers are carrying guns, but not knowing which ones, a would-be school terrorist will know that they are risking their lives shooting anyone, because sooner or later an armed teacher is going to put him in their sights and end their rampage.

If the school faculty wants to know who is carrying each day, then that is fine. I don't believe the numbers of carrying teachers should be limited or controlled, except to make sure there are enough teachers concealed carrying on any given day. More than enough is fine. If no teachers step up to concealed carry on a regular basis, then the school needs to hire several armed security guards to roam the halls.

Teachers carrying concealed weapons are the best protection for their classrooms.

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And being a teacher in America would then be like going to work with a target on your head everyday.

Who do you think would be the first victim in future school massacres?

I hope they will be paying teachers danger money.
Teachers have been the target of disgruntled students since our country began having schoolhouses.

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I don't know why teachers haven't demanded the right to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms to protect their students and themselves.

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Re: Interesting response to recent shooting in FL school

A teacher with a gun wouldn’t have saved:

Vegas: a concert
Orlando: a nightclub
Sutherland Springs: a church
Aurora: a movie theater
Gabby Giffords: a parking lot
Trayvon Martin: a neighborhood
Mike Brown: a cop
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A teacher with a gun wouldn’t have saved:

Vegas: a concert
Orlando: a nightclub
Sutherland Springs: a church
Aurora: a movie theater
Gabby Giffords: a parking lot
Trayvon Martin: a neighborhood
Mike Brown: a cop
Well, the topic is specifically school shootings, so not sure what your list above has to do with in specifically (although is digs into mental health and gun control). The last two seem completely irrelevant to the topic.
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Teachers have been the target of disgruntled students since our country began having schoolhouses.



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I don't know why teachers haven't demanded the right to exercise their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms to protect their students and themselves.



Knowledge of history is a valuable tool when processing current events.


I think because they did not go into the profession assuming they had to not only be armed but trained in tactical warfare.


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