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post #151 of 167 (permalink) Old 07-28-2018, 11:30 PM
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Pity my college teaching days are over. Rationalization is often a difficult thing to teach. I could bring you as a guest lecturer and it would clear things

Why the expletive would I care about how an Evangelical is DEFINED?

I'm a lot more concerned about what an Evangelical DOES.

Likewise for liberals, Wahabism fans, Hare Krishna fans, etc.
I find that hard to believe, since you go to so much trouble to put forth a pejorative definition in the first place.
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I find that hard to believe, since you go to so much trouble to put forth a pejorative definition in the first place.
Since when is saying that they put ideology (not faith) ahead of reality a pejorative definition?
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Since when is saying that they put ideology (not faith) ahead of reality a pejorative definition?
Well, it all depends on your version of reality, now doesn't it?

And I'm not talking about the nuts who say the earth is only 6,000 years old.

But some evangelicals fuse science and their beliefs.

As usual, it's not all that clear cut, but I get you like to paint all with the same broad brush.
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But some evangelicals fuse science and their beliefs.





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I haven't mentioned one word of their beliefs. I don't care TBH.

But, let's say you oppose ACA because of your beliefs (say, birth control). And thanks to a pre-existing condition you're more or less very expensive to insure... Or impossible. You vote for your ideology, and get no ACA, and voila. No more coverage. Is that a prudent move?

The left is just as dumb incidentally. If the unions had supported Hillarycare in 1992-1993 they would be a lot better off than now health care wise. But hey, they didn't want HMO's because they're socialized medicine so... Down with the beach.

Let them go HSA and catastrophic now and see how well it works.
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Lmao! Good one! I like this theory.
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That's pretty thin on the defense side for her.
When did I undertake defending her? I questioned Yeti on his assertion that they have essentially the same laundry list of faults.
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To suggest that all she did was support an adulterer blatantly ignores the overt things she said about the various affair partners in the media and in the public square.
None of which amount to "committing adultery", which is what I was discussing.
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Furthermore, if her treatment of her husband's affair partners didn't equate to maybe 5% of my problem with her, it might be a different story.

Benghazi. Uranium. Email servers. The Clinton Foundation. Just generally being...fake ("I ain't no way tired").

My vote for Trump was mostly SCOTUS related, with a huge helping of "against her".

Furthermore, if Joe Biden would have had the Democratic nomination, Trump would not have gotten my vote.
None of this is relevant to my point.
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What I find interesting is you have yet to acknowledge any potential negatives about Clinton.

Is that because you don't want to say it, or because you don't believe it?

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Neither, it hasn't been relevant to the discussion.
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Right. "Pretty much the same" is not the same thing as "exactly the same." It has built in wiggle room. But as I said, feel free to consider that wording retracted. I admit it was too strong.
Ok, that was really my point and it isn't a big mistake. It's not like we run this stuff by editors and sometimes I post stuff I later think misstates what I meant. I think you are an intelligent poster.
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And I never said Trump shows "as much respect as", only that both fail to meet acceptable minimums. Below that, the level of degree is pretty much irrelevant. But if you still think there's some kind of significant gap, just look at the firsthand accounts of people who have worked with Hillary. Then look at how Hillary treated the victims of her husbands predatory behavior. If you feel like minimizing that, ok, but wow.
I guess I see what you are saying, I was going on that(IMO)Trump doesn't show much respect to those who don't agree w/ him and that wasn't your point.
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Interesting article I found today. The person mentions his mentor, Sam Perry. Dr. Perry studies evangelicals and their hypocrisy (apropros for this thread, no?). He went to a very conservative seminary and thought he'd become a preacher but he saw inconsistencies and started asking questions. He has a book out on the degree to which pro-life evangelicals adopt children and engage in other activities to support families and children, and he has done extensive work on evangelicals, porn, and masturbation.

https://www.psypost.org/2018/07/chri...d-states-51771

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Interesting article I found today. The person mentions his mentor, Sam Perry. Dr. Perry studies evangelicals and their hypocrisy (apropros for this thread, no?). He went to a very conservative seminary and thought he'd become a preacher but he saw inconsistencies and started asking questions. He has a book out on the degree to which pro-life evangelicals adopt children and engage in other activities to support families and children, and he has done extensive work on evangelicals, porn, and masturbation.

https://www.psypost.org/2018/07/chri...d-states-51771
I am not American but I do know a lot of Christians here in the UK who have fostered and adopted children.
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@Diana7, his book is about particularly American responses to what he calls the global orphan crisis. He says evangelicals TRIED, and organized and spent money, but the enterprise collapsed. The adoption declined precipitously, and he says it is due to the focus on the individual that is inherent in America in general, and also in evangelical religion. The reviews say that he is balanced, sympathetic, and brutally honest. I have to admit, when I worked for a non-denominational church, it was a regular thing for them to start some initiative and hype it up and spend money on it, only for it to collapse from lack of volunteers and lack of enthusiasm.

Here's the link to his book on Amazon:

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Ok, that was really my point and it isn't a big mistake. It's not like we run this stuff by editors and sometimes I post stuff I later think misstates what I meant. I think you are an intelligent poster.
I guess I see what you are saying, I was going on that(IMO)Trump doesn't show much respect to those who don't agree w/ him and that wasn't your point.
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@Diana7, his book is about particularly American responses to what he calls the global orphan crisis. He says evangelicals TRIED, and organized and spent money, but the enterprise collapsed. The adoption declined precipitously, and he says it is due to the focus on the individual that is inherent in America in general, and also in evangelical religion. The reviews say that he is balanced, sympathetic, and brutally honest. I have to admit, when I worked for a non-denominational church, it was a regular thing for them to start some initiative and hype it up and spend money on it, only for it to collapse from lack of volunteers and lack of enthusiasm.

Here's the link to his book on Amazon:

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I was the head of a leadership team (volunteer, unpaid) for a church when the pastor who planted it resigned. That lasted for the better part of 18 months while we searched for a new pastor.

We could barely pay one person to spearhead a ministry. Everything else had to be done by volunteers.

No volunteers=no Ministry.

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No volunteers=no Ministry.

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Exactly. And people are busy. A lot of the volunteer initiatives (one in particular was an eclectic group that put tutors in inner city schools, but also purchased the materials for and built playgrounds at schools; it was an initiative sponsored by three churches; it fizzled out due to disagreements and politics about who was the leader) were run by women whose kids were grown.
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