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post #16 of 353 (permalink) Old 06-06-2019, 12:43 PM
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Re: If Trump isn't presidential please answer the following questions

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Because he is the exact opposite of Presidential?
Presidential or politician he is not. Businessman and someone
who wants things done as cheaply as possible and quickly. Yes
Do politics and gov. work that way NO. Millions of dollars is a lot
to a businessman and tax payers but pocket change to some
politicians.

His tweets are usually in response to media attacks on him. He said this
or did that. Some of the never ending crap I have heard I don't blame him.
Policies are one thing to debate him on, just attack is another. If someone
attacks him in the media ( with out factually basis ) he will reply. I don't
blame him and actually applaud him for dong so. Strength not weakness,
in the leader of the free world is a damn good thing in my viewpoint.

Do I agree with every policy decision he does NO. If you ask most of the
protestors why they don't like him they will say he is this or that. When asked
for facts they usually have none or repeat media garbage. I think his trip to the UK
was a good one and he acted very diplomatic. His toast to the queen was great!!
Speech's good also. Our first lady was gorgeous!!

In my life time I have been to several formal dinners like those. Everyone is stiff and
usually doesn't want to be there. Tux, ties. none relaxed atmosphere. More will get done after
the show when everyone can relax and talk openly. More usually does get done behind the
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What do you feel presidential means?

Please name some presidential presidents of the past 80 years?

Does it matter if a president isn't presidential?
For me, I want my president to have some professionalism, personal self-control (of his emotions, temper, words), and "class." I'm not sure any of that affects his "effectiveness", other than being a popoff could be bad for foreign relations and knee-jerking could make for bad instigation of policy (thank goodness for checks and balances no matter who is president). I may be old school, but I would prefer NOT to have to cringe in embarrassment over my president's lack of emotional intelligence or behavior.

I wasn't a fan of Obama's platforms, but I think he was presidential in that he was well-spoken, professional, articulate, etc. I think Kennedy and Reagan were both presidential. I don't really have much of an opinion on some of the others, except Clinton seemed sleazy to me even before the Monica thing.

It's kind of the national equivalent of not wanting to bring a dirty, foul-mouthed guy with a mullet and prison tats on his face home to meet the parents lol

That said, if I was forced to choose between a jerk who protects our country and people and a suave person who leaves us at risk, spends money like its water, doesn't value life, etc......

I'll take the jerk
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ill go with that...Trump can be a jerk. and its exactly what Washington needs given the state of the swamp.

I hope he ruffles even more feathers......because what it is doing is exposing radical agendas that were being hidden from view with soft spoke affluent tongues....on both sides. decency is out the window.....when politics today is nothing more then demonize the other side.


and then we expect the president to be "presidential" when he is treated as anything but that. say what you want but they were attacking this guy before he got in, regardless of what was said on the campaign, and never treated as some one deserving of anything other then the scorn they display.
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I remember what happened.

"That Trump! What a great guy he is! What? He's going to stand against Hillary?"

3, 2, 1 "Orange Man bad! Orange Man bad! I always said he was a no good!"

Yeah. Sure you did.


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think about this....trump is a SYMPTOM...no the root issue.

the reason he won was his willingness to call out the establishment buffoons, elitists and career politicians. its no wonder the attacks are 24/7.

and people want "presidential". could YOU maintain your cool if you were dealing with these attacks? we need a ruthless person in there and may just have finally found someone willing to take these idiots on at a level they have never experienced.
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ill go with that...Trump can be a jerk. and its exactly what Washington needs given the state of the swamp.

I hope he ruffles even more feathers......because what it is doing is exposing radical agendas that were being hidden from view with soft spoke affluent tongues....on both sides. decency is out the window.....when politics today is nothing more then demonize the other side.


and then we expect the president to be "presidential" when he is treated as anything but that. say what you want but they were attacking this guy before he got in, regardless of what was said on the campaign, and never treated as some one deserving of anything other then the scorn they display.
As far as I'm concerned, he can be an ass to other politicians as much as he wants.

It's the personal insults to non-political individuals, people's wives, war heroes, etc that are just.......tacky. None of that crap "drains the swamp." It's just tasteless and immature.

I'm very conservative, but he could do with some manners.
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As far as I'm concerned, he can be an ass to other politicians as much as he wants.

It's the personal insults to non-political individuals, people's wives, war heroes, etc that are just.......tacky. None of that crap "drains the swamp." It's just tasteless and immature.

I'm very conservative, but he could do with some manners.
I agree with you that some of his statements surprise me.

but put yourself in HIS shoes. could you withstand the attacks? if you went to a foreign country and a huge balloon was made of you in a diaper......would you just smile and shrug it off? I doubt it.

I don't blame him one second for his lashing out. when the critics act like they are saints and spew the biased garbage they do...I see his behavior as understandable given the circumstances he is dealing with.
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Part of being the president is standing up graciously under personal attacks. In my opinion, if someone is going to need jerk and have a temper tantrum every time someone hurts their feelings, they probably should not run for president
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To be perfectly honest, I am just as disturbed by the coltlike refusal of some people to recognize any of his flaws as I am by the people who insist he cannot do anything right. Both extremes are not healthy and not very intelligent.
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don't you feel, @MattMatt, just a little bit insulted that for all the Queen has done for him this week, he has to show that his mind is somewhere lese by tweeting about BetteMidler?

Would some people consider that presidential?

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don't you feel, @MattMatt, just a little bit insulted that for all the Queen has done for him this week, he has to show that his mind is somewhere lese by tweeting about BetteMidler?

Would some people consider that presidential?
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Part of being the president is standing up graciously under personal attacks. In my opinion, if someone is going to need jerk and have a temper tantrum every time someone hurts their feelings, they probably should not run for president
in the "old" days...where critics and the media were somewhat civilized I can understand this.

but those days are OVER.

we didnt see a comedian holding OBAMA's severed head did we? we never saw Hollywood attack any president on the level of today's norm. cant help but wonder if the next one(assuming a repub wins) will be in for the same type of treatment or an even more vindictive level (if that's possible) as where we are at now seems to be the new norm. I mean what will happen to Rachel Madow if Trump looses? its like hating and spewing on Trump has become some sort of a money making racket....just look at The View....what will they have to talk about if Bernie wins?
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I believe I am responsible for my behavior no matter how others act or treat me.

You believe others' bad actions entitle someone to behave badly.

They are two different views.
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Re: If Trump isn't presidential please answer the following questions

When East did this


Obama's response was "I still like Eastwood movies."
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I believe I am responsible for my behavior no matter how others act or treat me.

You believe others' bad actions entitle someone to behave badly.

They are two different views.
I don't know that I would call it "entitle them".

what I do believe is that its UNDERSTANDABLE...……

I do think some of his rhetoric is over the top. however, I don't have to walk in his shoes (nor do you) and take the non-stop barrage of crap aimed at him. While I am sure you probably have pretty thick skin......I don't think I could contain myself after a while if I had to deal with that on an ongoing basis. bet you couldn't either.

lets be real.....if Trump walked on water.....the media report would be "trump can't swim".

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