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post #91 of 110 (permalink) Old 07-26-2019, 08:38 PM
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It comical to see how obsessed the Dems have become. Its tragic to see how they are using the power and resources of the government to get something, to get anything on Trump. They've done nothing but chase their tails and will continue to chase their tails.


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It comical to see how obsessed the Dems have become. Its tragic to see how they are using the power and resources of the government to get something, to get anything on Trump. They've done nothing but chase their tails and will continue to chase their tails.
Yep. I thought Trump might put the Republicans in a hole they couldn't get out of. By all rights, that's what should have happened. But he's got the Dems in such a tizzy, they've become even more dysfunctional and self defeating than the Republicans. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
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I don't know Rocky. The Dems have cooked up and hung their hat on something Trump likely didn't do and cannot come close to proving even with a Dem approved hit squad of investigators. Now they are trying to leverage the "Obstruction" charge when there is technically no justice to obstruct. That one congressman got Mueller to admit he was in no way obstructed. I think the Dem legal hatchet men are going to have a tougher time with the "Nexus" part of an obstruction charge.
I"m surprised that despite all the talk about justice, the legal standard where the federal investigators are empowered to lie under oath, intimidate witnesses, hide evidence, and are free to leak evidence, while those investigated must play be a different set of rules, more folks are not outraged. Those being investigated not allowed to publicly proclaim their innocence, to question any actions government prosecutors even if government agents are breaking the law or engaging in unethical behavior.
If folks werent aware of the tactics the "By the people, for the people" government can use to nail your azz whether you're guilty or innocent, they are now.

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Whitey Bulger must be very upset about the hard time Mueller and the FBI is having.


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I don’t know if anyone noticed the little bit about Mueller agreeing with the statement that if it wasn’t for the fact that Trump was President, he would have been indicted by now. And that once Trump leaves office, he could well be indicted.
Seems to me that the phrase “nobody is above the law” does not normally apply to US presidents....
Also if there is a general consensus that Russia did in fact influence the result of the general election, how do people feel about the fact that the current US President has not really managed to become the president for legitimate reasons?




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Awkward and Embarrassing.

I wondered why on earth Democrats wanted him to testify even BEFORE his testimony because we already knew from his report that he had nothing on Trump.

I didn't watch the whole thing but what I did see was really kind of sad. He seemed so old and, frankly, confused. I came away thinking that he was put in that position just to have a figure head by people who knew he was well past his prime and could probably be puppet mastered. I actually started to feel bad for him.

And now I REALLY wonder what were the Dems thinking that they had him testify? Seriously, how did they imagine it WOULD go? Do you think their hatred of Trump has convinced them that he actually is guilty and that would be magically revealed?
Of course. TDS is real.

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Aye!

A Judge, Judges, or a Judge and a jury exonerate.

Prosecutors present the evidence as found and a grand jury determines whether charges should/can be leveled.

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Actually even judges and juries don't exonerate.
The verdicts are "guilty" and "not guilty", not "guilty" and "innocent/exonerated".
That's because we have the presumption of innocence.

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And why would it not be politically advantageous?

The book on why they lost in 2016 was that the Dems didn't turn out on Tuesday.

What could rally the base better than impeaching the orange?

If there was anything there, the Democratic controlled house most certainly would be impeaching, regardless of whether or not a senate conviction is likely; the potential political gains are just far too great. Heck, the fact that the Senate wouldn't convict would just add fuel to their fire! They would be screaming to the high heavens and using that not only to oust the sitting President, but also any in-play Republicans in the Senate (an the House for that matter) come 2020.
It wouldn't be politically advantageous because independents and generally sort-of-centrist people are sick and tired of the impeachment chorus.

Every poll shows that, and the Democrats know it too.

However, Trump has masterfully painted the Democrat party into a corner by forcing Pelosi to defend the lunatic fringe in Congress, so he can run against THEM next year.

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So if that poll is truly representative, one must wonder why things have shifted so dramatically. Maybe it's because more and more have come to the conclusion that this was a partisan witch hunt after all. Which goes back to the core of this thread.... Mueller said nothing anybody didn't know already and there's no evidence of collusion.
Even in March 50% agreed it was a witch hunt (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nt/3194049002/) and that number keeps rising.

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In my guess and conjecture a certain faction of the Democrats knew this testimony would go like it did and wanted this to try and wrangle the impeach faction at all costs back into the fold so to speak. The party is splintering and wedges are being driven and at the wrong time. Even the press couldn't spin this into any sort of smoking gun. It's time to drop this, form a united message/agenda and sell it to the voters and try to figure out how to win an election instead of angles hoping trump will lose or make him go away.
The problem the Ds have is that Trump has made the four horsewomen of the democalypse the face of the Democrat party.

Assuming he keeps that up until the election, the Ds are going to get slaughtered.


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I don’t know if anyone noticed the little bit about Mueller agreeing with the statement that if it wasn’t for the fact that Trump was President, he would have been indicted by now. And that once Trump leaves office, he could well be indicted.
It seems that most folks are missing "That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Maybe Mueller should further clarify it by adding, "If we had made a determination the president committed a crime, he could be indicted when he leaves office."

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It seems that most folks are missing "That's not the correct way to say it," Mueller said. "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Maybe Mueller should further clarify it by adding, "If we had made a determination the president committed a crime, he could be indicted when he leaves office."
But as Mueller admitted that he was incapable of writing his own two page press briefing, let alone a two volume report, nobody should believe ANYTHING that Mueller said or says in the future.

And dozens of attorneys are probably waiting for the results of this debacle to see if they can appeal cases Mueller was involved with.


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But as Mueller admitted that he was incapable of writing his own two page press briefing, let alone a two volume report, nobody should believe ANYTHING that Mueller said or says in the future.

Why does this follow? It’s more reasonable to say “because Trump lies about one thing, nobody should believe anything else that comes out of his mouth”. Actually it should be changed to “Trump lies about pretty much everything, period”.

Mueller was quite clear that there are double standards: anyone else would have been indicted by now. President can only be removed if there are any ‘high crimes’. If he is not removed, it doesn’t mean he didn’t do anything wrong. In fact, Mueller said over and over that he didn’t think Trump was innocent by saying that they can’t say flat out that he is guilty since he cannot be prosecuted for this, via the DOJ route. Congress will have to make this determination (or people, indirectly).




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They don't have the votes to do anything. The economy is riding high. Most will vote their pocketbooks.

Sanders is doomed with the hypocrisy over wages. Biden the gaff master will falter.

Seems like they've reverted back to trying to play the race card but it doesn't appear to wash. Baltimore is the armpit of the US and Cummings has set in that chair, collected a paycheck by resting on his laurels for 20 years and accomplished nothing. IN the past if you're AfricanAmerican you got a pass. The facts (crime/poverty despite all the funding pumped in) and pictures of that whole area say more than the rhetoric. Very hard to hide behind because the situation is pretty bleak.

While everything is subject to change only time will tell.
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....Cummings has set in that chair, collected a paycheck by resting on his laurels for 20 years and accomplished nothing.
Nothing?? I think making a place worse is sort of an accomplishment!

Residents in the Soweto Township had to agree they didn't have it so bad after seeing footage of West Baltimore.
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