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Maybe if you guys came up with something worthy of impeachment rather than just trying to remove him from office because you don't like the election results. Yes I understand you're not a voting citizen of the U.S.
I love how you guys never answer the question.

Which in itself is an answer: there's nothing he could do, I think, for Trumpians to want to impeach their god emperor.

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Maybe if pictures surfaced of him in black face, i.e., Trudeau.
OK. So if I found and posted a picture of Trump in black face or something similar, you'd be pro-impeachment?
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I love how you guys never answer the question.

Which in itself is an answer: there's nothing he could do, I think, for Trumpians to want to impeach their god emperor.
Republican support of Nixon remained above 80% until Feb. of 1973, then dropped through Oct. and held steady until the end.

Even as Nixon resigned, 24% of Americans still approved of him. 55% of Republicans still did so.

Partisanship is far starker today than in 1974.

Edit: Even then, it was only the forced release of the White House tapes than caused the Congressional exodus of support. Without that, it is likely he would have weathered the storm through his 2nd term.

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I love how you guys never answer the question.

Which in itself is an answer: there's nothing he could do, I think, for Trumpians to want to impeach their god emperor.
You are making the assumption that Trump supporters are mindless robots. We find many disagreements with him but also find him vastly better than any of the alternatives available.

You and many other Trump haters assume he has mean, evil intentions. You assume his motivations are purely personal. If you all took a neutral view and didn't infer bad intentions then his actions don't immediately become the results of criminality or immorality.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is an undefined phrase. Harmful egregious actions against the sanctity of the country would indeed have me calling for his removal from office. If he were to be taped on a phone call with Russians or Ukrainians gleefully talking about getting nude photos of a political adversary then I would see it as a high crime. If he were to have a family foundation which received tens or hundreds of millions of dollars while he was in office, I would see it as a high crime. If his spouse were to receive hefty speaking fees from foreigners or domestic businesses, I would see it as a high crime. If he were to be involved in a scheme to spy on the opposition party campaign via fraudulent representations to a court to get spy warrants I would see it as a high crime.

So far I have not seen Trump do anything anywhere near such a standard.
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Republican support of Nixon remained above 80% until Feb. of 1973, then dropped through Oct. and held steady until the end.

Even as Nixon resigned, 24% of Americans still approved of him. 55% of Republicans still did so.

Partisanship is far starker today than in 1974.

Edit: Even then, it was only the forced release of the White House tapes than caused the Congressional exodus of support. Without that, it is likely he would have weathered the storm through his 2nd term.
Still no answer.

And now what Nixon did is OK with you?
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You are making the assumption that Trump supporters are mindless robots. We find many disagreements with him but also find him vastly better than any of the alternatives available.

You and many other Trump haters assume he has mean, evil intentions. You assume his motivations are purely personal. If you all took a neutral view and didn't infer bad intentions then his actions don't immediately become the results of criminality or immorality.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is an undefined phrase. Harmful egregious actions against the sanctity of the country would indeed have me calling for his removal from office. If he were to be taped on a phone call with Russians or Ukrainians gleefully talking about getting nude photos of a political adversary then I would see it as a high crime. If he were to have a family foundation which received tens or hundreds of millions of dollars while he was in office, I would see it as a high crime. If his spouse were to receive hefty speaking fees from foreigners or domestic businesses, I would see it as a high crime. If he were to be involved in a scheme to spy on the opposition party campaign via fraudulent representations to a court to get spy warrants I would see it as a high crime.

So far I have not seen Trump do anything anywhere near such a standard.
He (his businesses and children) have received tens of millions of dollars. His children have benefited.

Therefore, you think Trump should be impeached?
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Republican support of Nixon remained above 80% until Feb. of 1973, then dropped through Oct. and held steady until the end.

Even as Nixon resigned, 24% of Americans still approved of him. 55% of Republicans still did so.

Partisanship is far starker today than in 1974.
Who knows, maybe when Vindman testifies in his dress blues, and polished brass it will be seen as divine truth by even the most skeptical where a regular suit and tie clad testimony would fall far, far short.

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You are making the assumption that Trump supporters are mindless robots. Who here has said that? We find many disagreements with him but also find him vastly better than any of the alternatives available. But do remember that not everything in life is negotiable.

You and many other Trump haters We're not Trump haters, so stop calling us that. assume he has mean, evil intentions. You assume his motivations are purely personal. If you all took a neutral view and didn't infer bad intentions then his actions don't immediately become the results of criminality or immorality. Using $400M of taxpeyers dollars to buy some supplies for his political campaign is personal. It is not a government matter.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is an undefined phrase. Harmful egregious actions against the sanctity of the country would indeed have me calling for his removal from office. If he were to be taped on a phone call with Russians or Ukrainians gleefully talking about getting nude photos of a political adversary then I would see it as a high crime. If he were to have a family foundation which received tens or hundreds of millions of dollars while he was in office, I would see it as a high crime. If his spouse were to receive hefty speaking fees from foreigners or domestic businesses, I would see it as a high crime. If he were to be involved in a scheme to spy on the opposition party campaign via fraudulent representations to a court to get spy warrants I would see it as a high crime.

So far I have not seen Trump do anything anywhere near such a standard.
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I love how you guys never answer the question.

Which in itself is an answer: there's nothing he could do, I think, for Trumpians to want to impeach their god emperor.
Yep, you've caught me. I'm a Trumpian. I don't view him as a god-emperor but I do think he's a damn good president that I don't favor impeaching because you and others don't like him and at this point, got no basis for doing so. But who knows, that may change but he'll likely walk. I think the Dems have shot their wad. In the meantime, get you one of them there fancy therapy dogs.

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The emoluments issue has already been run up the flag pole with no foul found.

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I’m 100% a Trump hater.

Why is that a bad thing?
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Yep, you've caught me. I'm a Trumpian. I don't view him as a god-emperor but I do think he's a damn good president that I don't favor impeaching because you and others don't like him and at this point, got no basis for doing so. But who knows, that may change but he'll likely walk. I think the Dems have shot their wad. In the meantime, get you one of them there fancy therapy dogs.
A $400M bribe using taxpayer money doesnít count?
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Using $400M of taxpeyers dollars to buy some supplies for his political campaign is personal. It is not a government matter.
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I’m 100% a Trump hater.

Marduk, I think the reason you feel that way is that Trump told you and the rest of the urpeens y'all needed to anny up more money for NATO. Right now we look at the bribe as you call as the Presidents due diligence to ensure Ukraine is getting off their butts and doing something about corruption in their country. (like hire the son of a politician as a buffer) Trump sweeten the pot above what Obama did to strengthen Ukraine's defenses.

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Iím 100% a Trump hater.

Why is that a bad thing?
Closed mind. Jump to prejudiced conclusions based on assumptions of bad intentions. Inability to consider alternate possibilities.
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