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Interesting that Sondland just flipped on Trump. Not only did he attest that there was a blatant and intentional quid pro quo directly from Trump and Giuliani, that his entire staff knew it.

Also interesting that some republicans are now complaining that the testimonies are public, and should be behind closed doors. How did you guys elect people like Jim Jordan and Lindsay Graham? Is their strategy of "no he didn't" and butwhataboutthewhistleblower actually going to work?

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@repMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."
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Well, I guess if they didn't say it, they didn't do it.

Let everyone out of prison who never told anyone they were going to or were in the act of committing a crime.
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@repMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."
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Apparently a code much more complex than the deep state that so many republicans can see through....
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Because that is how the system works. You keep thinking this is a trial. It is not.
In form its not a trial. In substance it is.

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@repMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."
So if I point a gun at your head and tell you to give me all your money, am I not stealing from you unless I verbally condition it by saying I'll shoot you if you don't?
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Well, I guess if they didn't say it, they didn't do it.

Let everyone out of prison who never told anyone they were going to or were in the act of committing a crime.
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Rep. Turner: “So, you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations?” Turner pressed.

“Other than my own presumption,” Sondland replied.

“Which is nothing,” Turner fired back.
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Saying that Trump is racist and a misogynist is a bald face lie. The rest of your rant is just opposition talking points spread by a tainted bias media. A media that has covered up sex crimes by Epstein, Clinton and their friends. They could have stopped this three years ago and saved women from Pedophile Island. They could have made an issue of Hillary’s countless felonies as she cleaned evidence from her computers etc.

You’re depending on a media that has zero credibility. The NYT and other papers aren’t failing because of the internet. They’re failing because they failed at reporting honest news and people that want read newspapers no longer can depend on them.

My question is why someone from another country is involved with proselytizing for one ultra liberal party involved in an election when it’s claimed this is what Russian trolls did.

I might add, as a disillusioned ex Democrat, that all you need to know about the Democrat party should have been learned when they spent 40,000,000 dollars on an attempted coup. All this latest fiasco is just Coup 2.0.

The media has already claimed today a witness said one thing damning in his opening statement . They didn’t wait to see him backtrack in cross examination.

Dividing people against each other has been the Democrat plan since the Civil War. This current crop should put their white robes and pointy hats back on.


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Vice President Biden assumed that he could make deals through his family to rake in millions based on the power he wielded in Ukraine. He was correct until Trump came around. Biden's assumption: as long as I am a political rival - Trump cannot have me investigated via Ukraine (because unless the FBI can reach into Ukraine on there own - no way to investigate with out local assistance) because that will be considered bribery if Ukraine pressured to do this via hold up of military aid. Democrats believe this - just look at what is happening. The entire case is based on TRUMP gaining value (via eliminating a rival from the election process).

Think about that:

Biden absolutely committed the perfect crime. Or did he??

Let's see:

No investigation announced plus no hold up of funds plus no understanding by Ukraine of the bribe plus no value for TRUMP obtained (Biden still running for President) = No CRIME.

Do you all think that an investigation just might be on the horizon by the FBI to look into this? Maybe a little help from the new Ukraine President who "Loves Tump!!"
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Dividing people against each other has been the Democrat plan since the Civil War. This current crop should put their white robes and pointy hats back on.
Misrepresenting democrats as the racist south has been the republican plan for about as long. It wasn't the democrats of today, it was the republicans of today. I suggest you study history.
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Dividing people against each other has been the Democrat plan since the Civil War. This current crop should put their white robes and pointy hats back on.
Even though the Democrats were much more racist a long time ago, that doesn't seem the case any more. I would think a Democrat would be run out of a KKK group these days. I would guess that the current makeup of white nationalists groups is almost completely right leaning and/or Republican. I would be very surprised to find out that Democrats make up even a small part of groups like the KKK.
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In form its not a trial. In substance it is.
No. The trial takes place in the Senate.
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Saying that Trump is racist and a misogynist is a bald face lie. The rest of your rant is just opposition talking points spread by a tainted bias media. A media that has covered up sex crimes by Epstein, Clinton and their friends. They could have stopped this three years ago and saved women from Pedophile Island. They could have made an issue of Hillary’s countless felonies as she cleaned evidence from her computers etc.



Dividing people against each other has been the Democrat plan since the Civil War. This current crop should put their white robes and pointy hats back on.
Study history much? I suggest you review the civil rights history of the early 1960's and learn how the republican party became what it is.
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