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post #1771 of 2208 (permalink) Old 11-21-2019, 07:28 PM
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It's still clear you contradicted yourself, try sounding angrier.
Your reading comprehension sucks. Here is exactly what I said in the post you quoted out of context:

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...A group within law enforcement, CIA, and the Obama white house became operatives to assist the DNC and Hillary's campaign by using their office under color of law.

The Dems used the dossier to fraudulently petition the court for the FISA warrant. Dems within federal agencies such as FBI, DoJ, CIA operating to take down Trump. ...


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The way I'm looking at it now is if Sonny Biden and Joe hadn't been playing footzee with Burisma and the Dems hadn't been diddling around with corrupt Ukrainian officials to help sway the election in Hillary's favor, this mess wouldn't be going on. So its the Dems fault.

"The facts have never mattered less than they do today. We're living in a time where the truth has been so diminished in value, even those at the top of government (and the media) are quite comfortable with the truth being whatever they can convince people to believe",
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The way I'm looking at it now is if Sonny Biden and Joe hadn't been playing footzee with Burisma and the Dems hadn't been diddling around with corrupt Ukrainian officials to help sway the election in Hillary's favor, this mess wouldn't be going on. So its the Dems fault.
Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election has been debunked. Are you concerned about Rick Perry installing his donors in Burisma these days?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...-deal-n1079896
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You guys should watch Netflix's The Devil Next Door. It's about the Ukrainian Demjanjuk, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk.

A running theme in the program is that since the end of WWII, the Soviet Union has tried to disseminate disinfo to the US to keep the East European communities in North America divided.

This guy's life was upended when the Soviet Union provided a list to the US and Israel of names of people who they believed had some position at Nazi run camps during the War.

Elsewhere, I remember one pundit on TV said she was surprised that the SU did not do anything recognizable during the Civil Rights period (or maybe there was something.). But they do racism so well these days.
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The way I'm looking at it now is if Sonny Biden and Joe hadn't been playing footzee with Burisma and the Dems hadn't been diddling around with corrupt Ukrainian officials to help sway the election in Hillary's favor, this mess wouldn't be going on. So its the Dems fault.
I mean, if my wife hadn't talked back then I would not have had to hit her, right?
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Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election has been debunked.
Debunked by who, the Dems? It ain't that difficult to find a plethora of news reports that concludes Ukraine did meddle in our election. Dr Hill eluded to a number of Ukrainian officials assisting Hillary and trying to get dirt on Trump. Lets see how this plays out.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/43...to-us-election

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I mean, if my wife hadn't talked back then I would not have had to hit her, right?
Tell it to the judge.

"The facts have never mattered less than they do today. We're living in a time where the truth has been so diminished in value, even those at the top of government (and the media) are quite comfortable with the truth being whatever they can convince people to believe",
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The way I'm looking at it now is if Sonny Biden and Joe hadn't been playing footzee with Burisma and the Dems hadn't been diddling around with corrupt Ukrainian officials to help sway the election in Hillary's favor, this mess wouldn't be going on. So its the Dems fault.
Got it. So the next President has a green light to go after what Ivanka, Eric, and Don jr. have been up to while their daddy was President. Good to know. And if that happens to help him/her politically well its the Repubs fault.

Anything to avoid admitting what Trump did was wrong.
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Debunked by who, the Dems? It ain't that difficult to find a plethora of news reports that concludes Ukraine did meddle in our election. Dr Hill eluded to a number of Ukrainian officials assisting Hillary and trying to get dirt on Trump. Lets see how this plays out.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/43...to-us-election
It seems like when you add an article link, it is always to a right wing echo chamber site. Of course it is easy to find Hillary Bad, Emailz, Benghazi!!! type stories there.

Add some other viewpoints to reading, and you just might find the truth is more mundane.
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Tell it to the judge.
I take your post to be an admission that Trump is wrong, what he did was wrong, but you don't care.

I would rather think that is your position than think you don't believe he did what he is being charged with. I do not think any rational person could look at this story, the testimony, the movements, and the people involved and not think it all lines up. Will it ever lead to impeachment, of course not, because the senate will never do it, that doesn't make Trump any less guilty.

There is no story that fits the evidence, other than he was leveraging his position and power to get Biden investigated.

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Got it. So the next President has a green light to go after what Ivanka, Eric, and Don jr. have been up to while their daddy was President. Good to know. And if that happens to help him/her politically well its the Repubs fault.

Anything to avoid admitting what Trump did was wrong.
I think Hunter Biden was serving on the board because it was thought he could use his old man to protect the company. I don't think the President would be wrong to want this investigated. The fact that his old man is an opponent doesn't cut no ice. Our citizens need to know if a candidate for office is up to his neck in protecting corruption. Hell DBNO, the Dems, including candidates for President, have been going after Trump and his family member since before he was elected, including getting Russian, Ukrainian officials to participate.

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It seems like when you add an article link, it is always to a right wing echo chamber site.
How about this:

New York Times, 12/12/2018

Ukranian courts ruled that releasing information to Manafort about the 2016 U.S. election was illegal interference.

“Both lawmakers asserted that if the release of the slush fund information broke the law, then it should be viewed as an illegal effort to influence the United States presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton by damaging the Trump campaign,” the New York Times reported.

"The facts have never mattered less than they do today. We're living in a time where the truth has been so diminished in value, even those at the top of government (and the media) are quite comfortable with the truth being whatever they can convince people to believe",
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How about this:

New York Times, 12/12/2018

Ukranian courts ruled that releasing information to Manafort about the 2016 U.S. election was illegal interference.

“Both lawmakers asserted that if the release of the slush fund information broke the law, then it should be viewed as an illegal effort to influence the United States presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton by damaging the Trump campaign,” the New York Times reported.
You’re aware that Leshchenko won the case on appeal and the original court’s decision was completely annulled? The court concluded that all the charges against him were unfounded.

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Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.

American intelligence agencies and the Justice Department have not swayed from their finding that Russia interfered in the 2016 election by hacking the Democrats and spreading pro-Trump propaganda online. And even former top Trump campaign officials have corroborated special counsel Robert Mueller's finding that the Trump campaign planned some of its strategy around the Russian hacks, and had multiple contacts with Kremlin-linked individuals in 2016.

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