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post #1831 of 2208 (permalink) Old 11-24-2019, 09:20 AM
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Rather than deal with each question, suffice it to say that if there were two or more witnesses that heard President Trump say to the effect of "the funds will be released when youse guys get me some dirt on Biden" I'd be on the same page as you. Him demoting of Ms. Yovanovich may have been a crappy thing, but as its set up, he could demote, reassign, or dismiss anyone in her position because he didn't like their eye color. The idea he never mentioned the word "corruption" calls for an assumption as to his thinking in formulating his dialog.
Well, I understand that Lindsay Graham and the Senate Judiciary is considering conducting committee hearings on Biden and Son in the near future!

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Arb, look at it this way. A senate investigation will clear up the suspicion hanging over Biden's head. Don't you wonder why Hunter Biden was picked for the board at $50k+ over any number of more experienced folks who would do it for even less money?

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Well, I understand that Lindsay Graham and the Senate Judiciary is considering conducting committee hearings on Biden and Son in the near future!



Good luck on proving an already debunked conspiracy theory!


They don’t need to prove anything. They just need to eat up some news cycles, and keep ‘ongoing investigation’ in their pocket for future campaign ads.


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Of course that's true DBNO. Both the Democraps and the Repubicans are going to leverage that game.

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The notion that Biden did anything wrong or that the Dems are involved
in election meddling with Ukraine is nothing more than debunked theory.





And we're going to do whatever we need to do to keep it that way.





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They don’t need to prove anything. They just need to eat up some news cycles, and keep ‘ongoing investigation’ in their pocket for future campaign ads.


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Kind of like the Benghazi Hearings!

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Ignoring the dead bodies, you maybe right.

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Show of hands please. Who here thinks Hunter Biden was given the very lucrative job in Ukraine for any reason other than Ukrainians gaining some kind of favor with the Vice President and the Obama administration? Anybody?

If you raised your hand, explain your theory on why they hired Hunter.

So if you didn't raise your hand, you believe Ukraine was attempting to buy favor. This may not be a crime under Ukrainian law, but it very well could be under US law for a government official (VP Biden) to be involved in such a situation. At the very least it is extremely bad judgment on VP Biden's part to have remained involved in Ukrainian policy.

Now multiply this by several times with other similar situations in other countries, and it starts to look like a pattern of family enrichment off of VP Biden's position. Certainly worthy of at least an investigation into all the facts. Then an informed conclusion can be made.

Of course this kind of buying influence is nothing new. It appears Mitt Romney's family may have had a similar situation. And John Kerry's family. The Clinton Family Foundation turned it into a major machine. We all know that Congressmen (and Congresswomen) become fabulously wealthy through insider trading deals and through close family members (spouses and children typically) who get very lucrative positions in the private sector.
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Of course this kind of buying influence is nothing new. It appears Mitt Romney's family may have had a similar situation. And John Kerry's family. The Clinton Family Foundation turned it into a major machine. We all know that Congressmen (and Congresswomen) become fabulously wealthy through insider trading deals and through close family members (spouses and children typically) who get very lucrative positions in the private sector.
I agree that this type of behavior is common, both in and out of politics. Quite often, people are put on corporate boards because of their name recognition, contacts, or some other reason not related to the core business. No doubt Hunter Biden was added to the board because of his name recognition rather than his knowledge about the oil and gas industry. That doesn't necessarily mean that was due to corruption. Look at many corporate boards and you'll see people there strictly because of their name recognition, which looks good in the corporate reports. I'm sure the current administration has many people on corporate boards making high salaries who essentially do nothing for the corporation.
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Show of hands please. Who here thinks Hunter Biden was given the very lucrative job in Ukraine for any reason other than Ukrainians gaining some kind of favor with the Vice President and the Obama administration? Anybody?

If you raised your hand, explain your theory on why they hired Hunter.

So if you didn't raise your hand, you believe Ukraine was attempting to buy favor. This may not be a crime under Ukrainian law, but it very well could be under US law for a government official (VP Biden) to be involved in such a situation. At the very least it is extremely bad judgment on VP Biden's part to have remained involved in Ukrainian policy.

Now multiply this by several times with other similar situations in other countries, and it starts to look like a pattern of family enrichment off of VP Biden's position. Certainly worthy of at least an investigation into all the facts. Then an informed conclusion can be made.

Of course this kind of buying influence is nothing new. It appears Mitt Romney's family may have had a similar situation. And John Kerry's family. The Clinton Family Foundation turned it into a major machine. We all know that Congressmen (and Congresswomen) become fabulously wealthy through insider trading deals and through close family members (spouses and children typically) who get very lucrative positions in the private sector.
When has it been a crime to accept a job you are not qualified for? If someone came and offered you a job, because they knew your dad, or your last name was famous, should you just not take it? I mean, it's not like the guy is an idiot, he is a lawyer. He has more qualifications than any of Trump's kids, and you don't seem to be upset about jobs they are not qualified for.

There are loads of famous people getting paid for things they are not qualified to do, because of who they are. You should start a campaign to get athletes out of television commercials, they are awful!

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Hunter Road bifurcates just a little ways in. Depending on perspective and political leaning, in some cases, you take the "He was hired for name recognition" fork or the, "Biden was the Epipen in case the company or its owners got stung by investigators" fork.

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Hunter Road bifurcates just a little ways in. Depending on perspective and political leaning, in some cases, you take the "He was hired for name recognition" fork or the, "Biden was the Epipen in case the company or its owners got stung by investigators" fork.
Bolded is the problem. We should be looking at the entire situation without political leaning. It should not matter whether you are R or D. It should just matter what has objectively taken place, independent of R or D spin.

I would expect that a little of both are true in what you wrote. Hunter Biden was courted because of his name. The company surely hoped that name would carry some sway when dealing with the US market. But neither of those things rise to criminality in and of themselves. In fact both are very common in all industries.
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No, he wants to know the taxpayers money is only going to countries that show proof they a cleaning up corruption and use the money we provide as we intended and they are willing to promulgate. That's stewardship Spiny.
Sure, that's what he wanted, and obviously the linchpin to what many consider to be the 3rd most corrupt country in the world was some ninth-tier wage earner who doesn't even work there any more.

If it isn't, you can't call an investigation that begins and ends with Biden any meaningful form of stewardship.

Can you think of some other reasons he might want a rampantly corrupt country to accuse the Biden family of bad things?
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Bolded is the problem. We should be looking at the entire situation without political leaning. It should not matter whether you are R or D. It should just matter what has objectively taken place, independent of R or D spin.
I agree. Unfortunately, if you took ten registered democrats and ten registered Republican, the Dems would take one fork and the Rebubs would take the other. Read my signature below.

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I agree. Unfortunately, if you took ten registered democrats and ten registered Republican, the Dems would take one fork and the Rebubs would take the other.
That doesn't mean you or I should buy into the spin. Take a step back and view it all with non-political goggles.

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