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In my opinion itís nothing more than a smokescreen to a much darker problem with our current administration.


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I, for one, would like to know if US taxpayer dollars meant for aid to the Ukraine was being funneled back to the Bidens.
I can fairly confidently say the answer to that is no.
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I can fairly confidently say the answer to that is no.
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What this whole thing reminds me of is my marriage. So much deflecting and gaslighting from my ex when he was caught doing something wrong. Thatís what this administration and their supporters remind me of.


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What this whole thing reminds me of is my marriage. So much deflecting and gaslighting from my ex when he was caught doing something wrong. Thatís what this administration and their supporters remind me of.


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Interesting because the dems have nothing.

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Never mind the smoking gun of Biden on national tv stating he would stop aid if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor investigating his son Hunter who was working for a oil company making $50k a MONTH. Hunter Biden know zero about oil. Never should have been hired. Biden actually DID what Trump is being accused of.

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In this clip from a January 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, former Vice President Joe Biden seems to brag about threatening to withhold military aid to Ukraine as a pressure tactic to force the firing of a prosecutor he did not like.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...rosecutor.html


Digging up the dark issues with the past administration more like it.

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Never mind the smoking gun of Biden on national tv stating he would stop aid if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor investigating his son Hunter who was working for a oil company making $50k a MONTH. Hunter Biden know zero about oil. Never should have been hired. Biden actually DID what Trump is being accused of.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...rosecutor.html


Digging up the dark issues with the past administration more like it.


I will have to dig a little deeper into what that site is about and what that clip is really referring to. Hereís a site dedicated to the timeline of Burisma and Biden dating back to 2014.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/t...d-ukrainegate/

I know thereís nothing that will change a Trump supporters opinion of him, itís some form of sick cult. And nothing will change my opinion of him either.. he and his pompous entourage scare the hell out of me. And Iím a registered republican.


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I know thereís nothing that will change a Trump supporters opinion of him, itís some form of sick cult. And nothing will change my opinion of him either.. he and his pompous entourage scare the hell out of me. And Iím a registered republican.
Since you're like Trump supporters in that nothing will change your opinion of him, does that make you a member of an opposing sick cult. Since I've heard multiple arguments that Trump's actions of withholding vital military aid while Ukranians were fighting for their survival against Russia, wasn't it the Obama administration that gave Ukraine blankets instead of munitions because they didn't want to piss off Russia. Kinda like, "Sorry Mr Hatfield, I can't sell you any ammunition. It might piss off Mr. McCoy. Try back next year when Mr. Trump takes over the store. I hear he maybe a little slow fill your order but at least you won't have to settle dry goods."

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Never mind the smoking gun of Biden on national tv stating he would stop aid if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor investigating his son Hunter who was working for a oil company making $50k a MONTH. Hunter Biden know zero about oil. Never should have been hired. Biden actually DID what Trump is being accused of.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...rosecutor.html


Digging up the dark issues with the past administration more like it.


And yes, he did withhold the money... and rightfully so!

ďHe says he told Ukrainian leaders that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees unless they fired Prosecutor General Shokin. President Trump and Rudy Giuliani have cited that boast repeatedly as proof that Biden admitted pushing for Shokinís firing, even though Biden was calling for the prosecutor to be fired because he wasnít pursuing corruption cases vigorously enough.Ē


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Since you're like Trump supporters in that nothing will change your opinion of him, does that make you a member of an opposing sick cult. Since I've heard multiple arguments that Trump's actions of withholding vital military aid while Ukranians were fighting for their survival against Russia, wasn't it the Obama administration that gave Ukraine blankets instead of munitions because they didn't want to piss off Russia. Kinda like, "Sorry Mr Hatfield, I can't sell you any ammunition. It might piss off Mr. McCoy. Try back next year when Mr. Trump takes over the store. I hear he maybe a little slow fill your order but at least you won't have to settle dry goods."


No, because Iím not supporting just one person simply because of a party affiliation. I donít care what party someone is in, so long as I can appreciate their values. Iíll have to research the whole blanket thing..

ETA: I didnít like trump from start and the more I hear and read about what heís done and is doing, the more I donít like him.. he pays hush money to his side pieces, heís rolled back more than 70 environmental acts, heís buddy buddy with one of the USís biggest threats (Russia and Putin), he doesnít know how to pay his bills yet boasts about how rich he is, heís not transparent at all (see his continued battle to keep his tax returns under wraps), the list really does go on for me. Heís just gross in my opinion.

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Since you're like Trump supporters in that nothing will change your opinion of him, does that make you a member of an opposing sick cult. Since I've heard multiple arguments that Trump's actions of withholding vital military aid while Ukranians were fighting for their survival against Russia, wasn't it the Obama administration that gave Ukraine blankets instead of munitions because they didn't want to piss off Russia. Kinda like, "Sorry Mr Hatfield, I can't sell you any ammunition. It might piss off Mr. McCoy. Try back next year when Mr. Trump takes over the store. I hear he maybe a little slow fill your order but at least you won't have to settle dry goods."

Hereís the real story about your blanket comment:

Facts First: Trump is being hyperbolic here. While the Obama administration was criticized for its refusal to provide lethal assistance to Ukraine, it did provide more than $100 million in security assistance, as well as a significant amount of defense and military equipment.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/26/p...eck/index.html


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We shall see in time.
Just like we'll see in time if Ukraine holds the "missing" clinton email server!!!
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Interesting because the dems have nothing.


You and I clearly disagree on this.


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An analogous situation to Hunter being on the board of Burisma would be the people on the board of Theranos. If you remember, Theranos was creating a new way of doing blood tests and they raised hundreds of millions of dollars. However, their technology didn't work and they hid the failures from everyone. The board had a lot of top military and political people, such as Henry Kissinger, James Mattis, and George Shultz among others. None of the people like that had any experience in developing medical testing equipment. They were likely hired for the board for other reasons, like their contacts, their advice on business, their ability to organize and execute, etc.

Trump holding back aid to Ukraine until they investigated Biden+Burisma would be like S. Korea holding back military compensation payments to the US until they investigated Mattis+Theranos. Even if those companies are corrupt, they are essentially unrelated to the money being held back. And just because a big name is on the board doesn't mean they got there because of corrupt reasons.
You clearly don't see the difference.

Which of those people you named who were on the Theranos board had a close relative in a position of power within a governmental agency which had some kind of authority over Theranos? Were those board members making millions of dollars being on that board, and did they have a close relative making sure any investigation was ended by having the investigator fired? And did their relative have the power to steer billions of dollars to Theranos?

Or, were those people simply high profile and probably with important connections to open the right doors?

Your example of S Korea holding back funds from the USA is laughably upside down from the USA giving billions to Ukraine. The scale of dollars between the 2 is as different as could be unless S Korea were sending us trillions of dollars.

Even so, ignoring that, what interest does S Korea have in any of those people or Theranos? Are the alleging violations of S Korean law by those people? If so, they have a legitimate reason to ask for US help in the investigation.

Furthermore, the US aid to Ukraine was not contractual. It was a gift. A very large gift. Under the Obama administration there were billions given which basically disappeared into the corrupt black hole, aka lined the vaults of whichever corrupt Ukrainians were able to snag it. Under Trump, the foreign aid was a gift which we have the right to put conditions on. That is how foreign relations work. It is always give something to get something.
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Never mind the smoking gun of Biden on national tv stating he would stop aid if the Ukraine did not fire the prosecutor investigating his son Hunter
No. This simply isn't true. Shokin was not investigating Burisma, or practically anybody else except anti-corruption activists who had the gall to demand honesty from their government(this may sound familiar). That is why the EU, IMF and Ukrainian citizens wanted him fired.
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who was working for a oil company making $50k a MONTH. Hunter Biden know zero about oil. Never should have been hired.
Probably not. Take it up w/ the management of Burisma.
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Biden actually DID what Trump is being accused of.
No, he didn't manipulate foreign aid to bribe foreigners into being his political operatives and not even your wack-job websites are accusing him of this.
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