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post #1336 of 2208 (permalink) Old 11-04-2019, 09:39 PM Thread Starter
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Here are some links with the first witness depositions to be made public, in an easy-to-read large font:

Michael McKinley deposition:

https://www.scribd.com/document/433418704/McKinley

Marie Yovanovitch deposition:

https://www.scribd.com/document/433418625/Yovanovitch

There will be many more depositions to be released publically in the near future.

These transcripts of the depositions include all questions asked of the witnesses, including the questions asked by the House Republican members.

So all you people complaining about the non-public depositions are now going to read these thoroughly, right?


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Trump supporters: I'm wondering what you think of all the stuff that is coming about Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman and Rudy Giuliani? Lev Parnas has been doing work (business deals) for Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch wanted in the U.S. on corruption and bribery charges and who has a long-standing hatred for Joe Biden.

Giuliana associates Lev Parnas and Igor Furman were arrested by US officials trying to flee the country. https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-for...es-11570714188

Daily Beast: "Indicted Ukrainian gas oligarch Dmytro Firtash spent more than $1 million hiring key figures in Republican efforts to investigate the Biden family. His lawyers—who often go on Fox News to defend President Trump—say they needed the dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden to demonstrate that Firtash’s prosecution was politically motivated.
.. the gas-market reforms pushed by Biden and others in 2014 and 2015 hit Firtash in the wallet, and badly. One knowledgeable outside observer estimated that the 2014 and 2015 gas reforms and legislation cost him hundreds of millions of dollars."

Firtash hired Trump-associated lawyers Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing who are very close to Giuliani. Trump formerly tried to recruit the two for his legal defense in the Russia probe, but a conflict of interest prohibited them from joining the president's legal team at that time, but since then diGenova and Toensing worked with the president "off the books," so as not to involve the White House, in trying to solicit damaging information about Joe Biden from Ukrainian officials.

diGenova and Toensing worked with Giuliani as he sought to mine damaging information on the president’s rivals in Ukraine and have been involved in Republican Party campaigns dating back to the impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998. These lawyers diGenova and Toensing also hired Parnas as a 'translator' for the Firtash case.

Firtash has established close ties to the former mayor of New York City in part by recruiting several of Giuliani’s associates such as Trump lawyers Toensing and DiGenova.

Lev Parnas paid Giuliani $500,000 recently for 'business and security advice'. (very likely to be $ coming from Firtash in my opinion)

In addition to doing work for Firtash, Parnas and Fruman funneled money from Ukrainian oligarchs to US Republican campaigns, including bribing US Rep Pete Sessions to assist with smearing the US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and getting Trump to remove her.

Does all of this sound normal to you, or is it just 'nothing to see her folks'? Just a witch hunt? Apparently our DOJ doesn't think so, at least until Barr manages to kill this investigation somehow.
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"Indicted Ukrainian gas oligarch Dmytro Firtash spent more than $1 million hiring key figures in Republican efforts to investigate the Biden family. His lawyers—who often go on Fox News to defend President Trump—say they needed the dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden to demonstrate that Firtash’s prosecution was politically motivated."

If this cat believes he can prove his prosecution was politically motivated by Biden and "getting dirt" on Biden would support that, why wouldn't he pursue it? You'd likely do the same thing. I know I would.

"The facts have never mattered less than they do today. We're living in a time where the truth has been so diminished in value, even those at the top of government (and the media) are quite comfortable with the truth being whatever they can convince people to believe",
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"Indicted Ukrainian gas oligarch Dmytro Firtash spent more than $1 million hiring key figures in Republican efforts to investigate the Biden family. His lawyers—who often go on Fox News to defend President Trump—say they needed the dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden to demonstrate that Firtash’s prosecution was politically motivated."

If this cat believes he can prove his prosecution was politically motivated by Biden and "getting dirt" on Biden would support that, why wouldn't he pursue it? You'd likely do the same thing. I know I would.
Does that make it real? Or true? It is all part of this mess of jackholes covering for each other and trying to paint themselves as victims in some crazy conspiracy theory.
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"Indicted Ukrainian gas oligarch Dmytro Firtash spent more than $1 million hiring key figures in Republican efforts to investigate the Biden family. His lawyers—who often go on Fox News to defend President Trump—say they needed the dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden to demonstrate that Firtash’s prosecution was politically motivated."

If this cat believes he can prove his prosecution was politically motivated by Biden and "getting dirt" on Biden would support that, why wouldn't he pursue it? You'd likely do the same thing. I know I would.
Why call it dirt, then? If there is evidence of Biden REALLY engaging in corrupt activities, why call it dirt?
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Tas, does any of us know if its real or not. Biden supporters are saying virtually the same thing Trump supporters are saying. If you become a person of interest in a crime, would you sit on your hands letting "the system" work it out or become pro-active compiling a defense? A better question for you to contemplate is would you bet a significant portion of your assets that Biden's involvement its just a conspiracy theory.

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There hasn't been anything but theories about it being something shady Biden did. It has been discussed over and over again, there was nothing secret, or shady about it.

The only people that still talk about it are people trying to find some way to point fingers at other people. People looking for leverage or trying to discredit him.

Look at the lengths people are going to, in order to manufacture a story here. There isn't one.
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Why call it dirt, then? If there is evidence of Biden REALLY engaging in corrupt activities, why call it dirt?
Thats a figure of speech used to indicate getting evidence of wrong doing; similar to saying "dirty dealings", "that guys dirty", et cetera.


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There hasn't been anything but theories about it being something shady Biden did. It has been discussed over and over again, there was nothing secret, or shady about it.
Then why sweat it if Firtash wants to hire folks to prove his prosecution was politically motivated and assisted by Biden? He either can prove his case or he can't. Kari's trying to make a case Firtash's attempt to show such political motivation somehow demonstrates Trump's guilt. Sides that, when Biden gets on TV and sez, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.", can you really blame folks for thinking there may be something shady going on.

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Then why sweat it if Firtash wants to hire folks to prove his prosecution was politically motivated and assisted by Biden? He either can prove his case or he can't. Kari's trying to make a case Firtash's attempt to show such political motivation somehow demonstrates Trump's guilt. Sides that, when Biden gets on TV and sez, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.", can you really blame folks for thinking there may be something shady going on.
I think she is just making connections between all of the shady people and how they are all trying to further a false narrative to save themselves. She is showing the connections to oligarchs and corruption that run deep through all of this.
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That screeching sound you hear is Trumpians moving the goalposts around.

When you’ve already decided that facts don’t matter and your God emperor is always right, there’s no point in arguing anything.

The narcissists prayer:

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal. <- we are here.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.
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I think she is just making connections between all of the shady people and how they are all trying to further a false narrative to save themselves. She is showing the connections to oligarchs and corruption that run deep through all of this.
I agree with you about lots of corruption and shady people here.
Both sides do it. That is why I want and hope as much of it gets
exposed. Deals will no doubt be cut in backrooms. Low hanging
fruit will be sacrificed since everyone else knows each others secrets.

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That screeching sound you hear is Trumpians moving the goalposts around.

When you’ve already decided that facts don’t matter and your God emperor is always right, there’s no point in arguing anything.

The narcissists prayer:

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal. <- we are here.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.
C'mon Marduk!

It isn't just the Trumpers. You don't think this is an issue with both parties? Or Washington DC in general?

Facts don't matter to any of them.

"Listen I'm a politician. Which means I am a cheat and a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops." Hunt For Red October, 1990
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