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Why is Antarctica's Ice Sheet Growing in a Warming World? - Science in the News

Don't worry that the snow increase is because the ocean is warmer, its all good.
I don't get your point. This only explains that NASA is correct. With more ice and snow, the ocean will either rise more slowly, equalize or reverse. There is no problem. That's what we have been saying.


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The opposite is happening in some arid zones... but overall the opposite is happening. And the changes from arid to temperate and temperate to arid are forcing mass human migration and starvation.

Care to entertain the idea of, say, all of central america and mexico showing up on the american border as climate refugees? It could happen.
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I don't get your point. This only explains that NASA is correct. With more ice and snow, the ocean will either rise more slowly, equalize or reverse. There is no problem. That's what we have been saying.
Here are a couple of excerpts:
before we go over the evidence supporting climate change’s existence, we should keep something in mind: the notion that there’s net ice gain in the Antarctic is still being debated among top scientists.
the LIDAR altimeter used in the study might register snowpack as increased surface height even though that’s not really a permanent component of the ice sheet (Figure 1). Across large swaths of land surface, this small contribution could propagate into an apparent enormous gain in ice mass that’s not really there
Furthermore, while the Antarctic ice sheet is indeed increasing in size, this is not true for its northern counterpart, the Arctic. And the ice gain in the Antarctic doesn’t cancel out the ice loss in the Arctic. The Antarctic has gained about 7,300 square miles of ice each year since the late 1970s. The Arctic, on the other hand, has lost about 20,800 square miles of ice each year in that same period [10]. Global ice loss is still occurring on a significant scale.
The West Antarctic ice loss trend is new, abrupt, and began after the Industrial Revolution. Its tie to human activity has been demonstrated through a large number of both observations and theoretical models
An important clarification to make: this trend in ice loss in the West Antarctic is one conclusion of the NASA study not being debated. “We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” Jay Zwally, lead author of the study said. Therefore, if the increasing rates of ice loss in the West Antarctic continue, it’ll be only a few decades before they outweigh the ice gain in the East
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The opposite is happening in some arid zones... but overall the opposite is happening. And the changes from arid to temperate and temperate to arid are forcing mass human migration and starvation.

Care to entertain the idea of, say, all of central america and mexico showing up on the american border as climate refugees? It could happen.
if we want to stop desertification, we could a LOT more good buy simply changing our land use practices. doing nothing more than that can reverse hundreds of years of desertification in less than a decade.


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if simple land use practices can reverse desertification in such a dramatic way in such a short time...

well, then what is actually causing the desertification?

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Here are a couple of excerpts:
before we go over the evidence supporting climate change’s existence, we should keep something in mind: the notion that there’s net ice gain in the Antarctic is still being debated among top scientists.
the LIDAR altimeter used in the study might register snowpack as increased surface height even though that’s not really a permanent component of the ice sheet (Figure 1). Across large swaths of land surface, this small contribution could propagate into an apparent enormous gain in ice mass that’s not really there
Furthermore, while the Antarctic ice sheet is indeed increasing in size, this is not true for its northern counterpart, the Arctic. And the ice gain in the Antarctic doesn’t cancel out the ice loss in the Arctic. The Antarctic has gained about 7,300 square miles of ice each year since the late 1970s. The Arctic, on the other hand, has lost about 20,800 square miles of ice each year in that same period [10]. Global ice loss is still occurring on a significant scale.
The West Antarctic ice loss trend is new, abrupt, and began after the Industrial Revolution. Its tie to human activity has been demonstrated through a large number of both observations and theoretical models
An important clarification to make: this trend in ice loss in the West Antarctic is one conclusion of the NASA study not being debated. “We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” Jay Zwally, lead author of the study said. Therefore, if the increasing rates of ice loss in the West Antarctic continue, it’ll be only a few decades before they outweigh the ice gain in the East
Then, this study is worthless, as most of yours. You're saying it's all opinion and unproven, though they have instruments which can measure the height of snow/ice and have done so. It really doesn't matter if it is snow or ice. It's water that could be in the oceans and is not.

Saying it will take decades to know if this is ice or snow can be extrapolated to mean that they cannot know what is going on with the ocean levels. If they can't figure out what is happening with all the data they have from the last few decades, they surely can't guess what is going to definitively cause global warming or even if a rise in ocean levels is occurring.

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Then, this study is worthless, as most of yours. You're saying it's all opinion and unproven, though they have instruments which can measure the height of snow/ice and have done so. It really doesn't matter if it is snow or ice. It's water that could be in the oceans and is not.

Saying it will take decades to know if this is ice or snow can be extrapolated to mean that they cannot know what is going on with the ocean levels. If they can't figure out what is happening with all the data they have from the last few decades, they surely can't guess what is going to definitively cause global warming or even if a rise in ocean levels is occurring.
There is a huge difference between ice and snow. There is also a huge difference between sea ice and fresh water ice. All of that matters.

Additionally, the point that was more important is that the east has been growing for 10,000 years, that is not news. What is news is that the west is melting, and accelerating at a rate that it will be melting faster than the east is growing in a few decades.

Also, the point was made that total ice melt globally is still higher than total ice gain.

The touting of this study as proof there isn't a problem is misguided. There is no news in the study, other than the west is melting.
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There is a huge difference between ice and snow. There is also a huge difference between sea ice and fresh water ice. All of that matters.

Additionally, the point that was more important is that the east has been growing for 10,000 years, that is not news. What is news is that the west is melting, and accelerating at a rate that it will be melting faster than the east is growing in a few decades.

Also, the point was made that total ice melt globally is still higher than total ice gain.

The touting of this study as proof there isn't a problem is misguided. There is no news in the study, other than the west is melting.
No sir. Now, you've gone too far. They don't know and will possibly know in several decades, if the ice is melting faster than it is increasing. Please do not lie or twist the truth.

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No sir. Now, you've gone too far. They don't know and will possibly know in several decades, if the ice is melting faster than it is increasing. Please do not lie or twist the truth.
They know it is melting faster now than it was, they know that the water temp is warmer than it was, and they know that as they continue to measure it, it is increasing. So, how is that a twist?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ort/ar-BBWqEZw

Three years ago, when this woman journalist had gathered all information she possibly could on Epstein and those who used his services, ABC refused to report on this story that was ready to be produced. Then, they cooperated with CBS, who fired the wrong person. The leaker is still inside CBS.

These news agencies are disgusting and Disney is also involved as an owner. I cannot believe anything from them.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...-story-3-years


Even flaming liberals should be on the same side as me.

Edit: They are coming out with a series next year on this. It's long overdue. Something could have been done 3 years ago when many who were involved could have been brought to justice.

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They know it is melting faster now than it was, they know that the water temp is warmer than it was, and they know that as they continue to measure it, it is increasing. So, how is that a twist?
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[url]Edit: They are coming out with a series next year on this. It's long overdue. Something could have been done 3 years ago when many who were involved could have been brought to justice.
If you care, then they should have done something about this 11 years ago when Acosta (one of Trump and Barr's guys, gave Epstein the sweetest deal ever!).
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If you care, then they should have done something about this 11 years ago when Acosta (one of Trump and Barr's guys, gave Epstein the sweetest deal ever!).
Can you somehow connect this with the rest of my post telling you why I don't and basically, no one should rely on ABC or CBS for information? You've gone off the track.

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