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That is what I thought, you did not understand the original research paper


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Iím sorry you choose to be demeaning and not want to learn something.


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Well if you really want to see ďclimate changeĒ wait until we have another eruption like Krakatoa in the 1860ís. That resulted in a year without a summer.

Climate change is politically driven by libs. Junk science totally.
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Sydney Sea levels rising at just 6.5cm per century. Peak-panic is behind us. ę JoNova



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I try to come with an open mind. I acknowledge I have my own prejudice and try to make allowance for it.

Yet, ultimately, there is nothing to publish. Only a refusal to accept. Fine. We all have our political and societal prejudices and things we will not accept. But, that self-awareness is useful in the absence of a scientific argument.
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I try to come with an open mind. I acknowledge I have my own prejudice and try to make allowance for it.

Yet, ultimately, there is nothing to publish. Only a refusal to accept. Fine. We all have our political and societal prejudices and things we will not accept. But, that self-awareness is useful in the absence of a scientific argument.
I have referenced several scientific arguments.

Piers Corbyn is hardly an amateur like myself and has interesting arguments.

I have a very open mind to actual evidence and zero acceptance of hysteria and alarmist driven arguments.
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I have referenced several scientific arguments.

Piers Corbyn is hardly an amateur like myself and has interesting arguments.

I have a very open mind to actual evidence and zero acceptance of hysteria and alarmist driven arguments.
Piers Corbyn!!!

Seriously!!!

Your skepticism of climate change fit with your political prejudice. My acceptance fits with my political prejudice.

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Piers Corbyn!!!

Seriously!!!

Your skepticism of climate change fit with your political prejudice. My acceptance fits with my political prejudice.
I don't follow his politics or am I even aware of them.

I suppose if I look at the all the voices that have different views than those put forth by the IPCC, they will all have the same political views?

If so, this issue is even more muddied than I originally thought.
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You should look into Piers Corbyn, he is a nut that thinks he can predict earth quakes among other things. He has been shown to be wrong multiple times, until he stopped publishing his projections and sued anyone that talked about them.
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I don't follow his politics or am I even aware of them.

I suppose if I look at the all the voices that have different views than those put forth by the IPCC, they will all have the same political views?

If so, this issue is even more muddied than I originally thought.
My point is that to assume that either of our opinions are rational and not swayed by the prejudices we bring strikes me as a touch arrogant. Of course, I write this knowing that I have prejudices and am perhaps making a virtue of that.

I think there are some on the left who love the idea of climate change. It suits the narrative of "we are all guilty!".

Equally, there are those on the right who would always reject it, as it goes against a narrative of us all only being responsible for ourselves.

The narrative that suits our political view will more readily seem more reasonable and logical to us.

Unfortunately, on this, I fear the "We are all guilty" brigade are right. They are right by coincidence and it is actually very unfortunate. I would much prefer they were wrong, but while the vast mojority of people who actually get their hands dirty studying this for real are overwhelmingly on the side of it being a valid (though of course imperfect) model, then I am prepared to accept it.
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My point is that to assume that either of our opinions are rational and not swayed by the prejudices we bring strikes me as a touch arrogant. Of course, I write this knowing that I have prejudices and am perhaps making a virtue of that.

I think there are some on the left who love the idea of climate change. It suits the narrative of "we are all guilty!".

Equally, there are those on the right who would always reject it, as it goes against a narrative of us all only being responsible for ourselves.

The narrative that suits our political view will more readily seem more reasonable and logical to us.

Unfortunately, on this, I fear the "We are all guilty" brigade are right. They are right by coincidence and it is actually very unfortunate. I would much prefer they were wrong, but while the vast mojority of people who actually get their hands dirty studying this for real are overwhelmingly on the side of it being a valid (though of course imperfect) model, then I am prepared to accept it.
I'm really not a political sort especially when it comes to research.

I'm paying attention to the arguments and I simply don't see the need for intense alarm. The facts would have to be different to convince me to be alarmed.

I am alarmed by the levels of pollution and I do want progression in energy technologies.
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I tend not to view the topic of climate change through any political lens, rather look at the scientific evidence presented, some valid and some not so much.


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Climate Change.....Is Al Gore still selling that stuff? Probably not as he made millions on it .....I bet he retired to somewhere with a warm climate.


Anyone can drill ice cubes out the earth and say they found proof...just keep drilling until you find the right ice cube.

Research will always find evidence that supports those who paid for it. It’s how research funding works.

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Climate Change.....Is Al Gore still selling that stuff? Probably not as he made millions on it .....I bet he retired to somewhere with a warm climate.

There is always money to be made in both sides of the argument, it is called capitalism.



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Research will always find evidence that supports those who paid for it. Itís how research funding works.


You paid for the research in your taxes. This research is based on the principles of physics and chemistry. So, I am not sure what you think the evidence is that supports a false narrative?


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Research will always find evidence that supports those who paid for it. It’s how research funding works.


You paid for the research in your taxes. This research is based on the principles of physics and chemistry. So, I am not sure what you think the evidence is that supports a false narrative?


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I see how my post may be confusing as I didn’t actually read the research. My point being that the topic of climate change is so polarized that evidence will be found for both views depending the funding system.

I’m willing to bet that with political funding it could be “proven” that cavemen used 14 layer toilet paper.

My brother worked in a research lab in college and I have two daughters in college now. I do not put too much faith in research results.....especially politically motivated ones.....left or right
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I see how my post may be confusing as I didnít actually read the research. My point being that the topic of climate change is so polarized that evidence will be found for both views depending the funding system.

Iím willing to bet that with political funding it could be ďprovenĒ that cavemen used 14 layer toilet paper.

My brother worked in a research lab in college and I have two daughters in college now. I do not put too much faith in research results.....especially politically motivated ones.....left or right


There is no political funding. Congress allocates research funds and funds are distributed based on efficacy use of those funds.

Climate change research is not political, it is based on physics and chemistry


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