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I donít like joking about abortions. Itís a horrible choice if one has to make one.
Fortunately, most abortions happen within the first trimester.
Itís not clear when life begins (from scientific POV). It seems to be more of a continuous/gradual process rather than a specific point in time.


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What a horrible thing to say, especially since it isn't true.

Adopt any children lately? Try to get some out of cages on the border?

Or does your righteousness only apply to theoretical children instead of actual ones?
Exactly. When humans start valuing, protecting and providing for the children they already have instead of discarding them to government care ... then and only then will I listen to the anti-abortion opinion.

How about this ... adopt an older child, do you realize how many non-infants are in government care around the world? Abandoned because they were the wrong gender, because of some "defect", because they were unwanted or due to other adult misbehavior. Yet even most adopters say "Nooooo, I want a baby".
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But 80% of impregnated eggs donít manage to implant and self-abort/self-destruct. Who is killing those? God? Tom Cruise?



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I'm sure that, like any other man, Tom Cruise needs to stay the hell out of women's uteruses! (although it seems that a lot of women would have been pretty happy to invite Tom Cruise in for most of the last 40 years... gotta' admit, dude still looks great... wish I was aging that well!)

Still red herring-ish (maybe partly applicable) with regard to the current discussion as there is a difference between a natural process and a forced one. I think even more tangible though is that there's a big difference between flushing a zygote that failed to implant and a last trimester fetus (just talking with regard to those who would legalize abortion right up to birth).
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The idea of celebrating because abortion is not a criminal offense any more is a bit sick in my opinion. If it was a crime then it obviously wasnít enforced very well because the op admitted that three previous girlfriends terminated their pregnancy.
I would have been one of the people saying itís a womanís choice whether to abort or not until it happened to me.
When my then girlfriend discovered she was pregnant we had split up and she had lost her business. Because she wasnít earning and was living in her parents house her mother gave her a choice of either aborting our baby or else she was throwing her out. I have never been happier to have money than I was at that stage.
I see my beautiful little girl and I think what her grandmother wanted for her.
If people agree with abortion thatís their business but I think we can do without the ticker tape parade.

When someone says itís not the money itís the principle,itís always the money.
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Gee... I wonder why people aren't freaking out about the actual children in actual cages, the actual children in actual poverty in your country, or the theoretical children (fertilized eggs) in actual cold storage by the thousands across your country.

It's because it isn't about children at all. It's about who gets control over women's bodies.


And even more specifically, it's about punishing women (only women) for having sex.
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What a horrible thing to say, especially since it isn't true.

Adopt any children lately? Try to get some out of cages on the border?

Or does your righteousness only apply to theoretical children instead of actual ones?
I have sponsored many children and care about them all, pre-birth or after birth. I also care that we are killing the most vulnerable members of society in horrific ways with out a qualm. Its just tragic and certainly nothing to celebrate.
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And even more specifically, it's about punishing women (only women) for having sex.
Nope, nothing to do with punishing women, its to do with saving babies lives. Many women decide to keep their babies and dont regret it, and many women who do kill their babies go on to have bad mental heath problems and many more regret what they did.
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The idea of celebrating because abortion is not a criminal offense any more is a bit sick in my opinion. If it was a crime then it obviously wasnít enforced very well because the op admitted that three previous girlfriends terminated their pregnancy.
I would have been one of the people saying itís a womanís choice whether to abort or not until it happened to me.
When my then girlfriend discovered she was pregnant we had split up and she had lost her business. Because she wasnít earning and was living in her parents house her mother gave her a choice of either aborting our baby or else she was throwing her out. I have never been happier to have money than I was at that stage.
I see my beautiful little girl and I think what her grandmother wanted for her.
If people agree with abortion thatís their business but I think we can do without the ticker tape parade.
It makes me sick to my stomach when I see crowds cheering and clapping when such laws are passed. Cheering the fact that more babies will die? Many in horrific ways? Just shows how evil the whole abortion industry is.
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Exactly. When humans start valuing, protecting and providing for the children they already have instead of discarding them to government care ... then and only then will I listen to the anti-abortion opinion.

How about this ... adopt an older child, do you realize how many non-infants are in government care around the world? Abandoned because they were the wrong gender, because of some "defect", because they were unwanted or due to other adult misbehavior. Yet even most adopters say "Nooooo, I want a baby".
I know many who have adopted older children. One family in my last church adopted 4 siblings, it happens a lot. No baby needs to be unwanted, those who cant have children are crying out to adopt and many go abroad because the babies in the west who weren't wanted by their parents have been killed.

I know an amazing guy whose girlfriend got pregnant with triplets. She didn't want them but instead of killing them she agreed to give birth if he bought them up. He was only about 21 himself but they are now about 7 and doing well. What an amazing guy he is.

Apart from all this it doesn't change the fact that babies are being killed for 'convenience'.
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I donít like joking about abortions. Itís a horrible choice if one has to make one.
Fortunately, most abortions happen within the first trimester.
Itís not clear when life begins (from scientific POV). It seems to be more of a continuous/gradual process rather than a specific point in time.


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The heart starts beating at just 6 weeks.

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When does it become alive? Does anybody know?
In a way, you are deliberately preventing the potential of life every time you donít have sex when you ovulate, no?
Over a lifetime, a woman produces (or kills) about 400 eggs (babies). And a man will produce (kill) about 525 billion sperm (babies), if he doesnít find enough eggs...
Thatís a lot of women to impregnate...Must get on with it...



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I do know that the heart starts beating at just 6 weeks. Its just awesome to see such a tiny baby looking so human.
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I donít like joking about abortions. Itís a horrible choice if one has to make one.
Fortunately, most abortions happen within the first trimester.
Itís not clear when life begins (from scientific POV). It seems to be more of a continuous/gradual process rather than a specific point in time.


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Many happen after 12 weeks as well and these later ones are especially gory and horrific.
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It's because it isn't about children at all. It's about who gets control over women's bodies.
You like to get on others for "not even considering the possibility that...."

Her you are not even considering the possibility that people honestly believe that a fetus is a human being worthy of life. There may be some out there who want to shame women for having sex, but it's prejudicial and certainly false that every pro lifer out there is just sexually repressed and hellbent on forcing that repression on others.
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Interesting post from the guy who takes every possible opportunity to rail against whataboutism.

I'm not sure what "children in cages" you're talking about. Is this a reference to the ones at the border who's parents have been detained? If so, that's also a red herring on top of whataboutism on top of a red herring. Those children are released to their parents the second their parents decide to go back where they came from rather than illegally enter a sovereign nation.
How exactly does it work, though? To get to tell a woman what to do with herself, while there's actual kids needing actual help?

If I were to make it about someone else getting abortions, that would in fact be whataboutism. What I'm pointing out is that if it's about the kids, then people would actually be doing something about kids.

But this isn't at all about that, is it? Do kids not matter if they're not born in your country? If that's your line, then why does it matter if people in Australia get abortions?

Again, what about the literal frozen fertilized eggs in fertility centers all across your nation? Are these theoretical children that are being held hostage?

Abortion has always been about women's rights.
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The idea of celebrating because abortion is not a criminal offense any more is a bit sick in my opinion. If it was a crime then it obviously wasnít enforced very well because the op admitted that three previous girlfriends terminated their pregnancy.
I would have been one of the people saying itís a womanís choice whether to abort or not until it happened to me.
When my then girlfriend discovered she was pregnant we had split up and she had lost her business. Because she wasnít earning and was living in her parents house her mother gave her a choice of either aborting our baby or else she was throwing her out. I have never been happier to have money than I was at that stage.
I see my beautiful little girl and I think what her grandmother wanted for her.
If people agree with abortion thatís their business but I think we can do without the ticker tape parade.
You know what? I actually think that's a really good point. I think you've put your finger on something about this whole thing that bugged me.

For me, it's not about being "for" or "against" abortions - it's about a woman's right to choose if she wants one or not within some reasonable time frame before the fertilized egg goes from "a cluster of cells" to "something that is sentient."

I don't think abortions should be celebrated. I think you're right about that, and I think that most people that have had abortions would likely agree with you about that.

It's having a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body that should be celebrated.
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