How exactly does it work, though? To get to tell a woman what to do with herself, while there's actual kids needing actual help?
If I were to make it about someone else getting abortions, that would in fact be whataboutism. What I'm pointing out is that if it's about the kids, then people would actually be doing something about kids.
But this isn't at all about that, is it? Do kids not matter if they're not born in your country? If that's your line, then why does it matter if people in Australia get abortions?
Again, what about the literal frozen fertilized eggs in fertility centers all across your nation? Are these theoretical children that are being held hostage?
Abortion has always been about women's rights.
Again, you frame the argument in a narrow way, ignoring all other elements of the discussion. For me the question centers on when a life becomes a life. At the moment it does, it's not just 'herself" and it's not just about what she's doing "with herself." So it's not just
about women's rights, it's about human rights... depending on whether or not you believe a fetus is a human. I'm not taking a position here, since I honestly don't know. But I do know that trying to frame the argument as just about women's rights and ignoring the question of whether or not a fetus is a human does a disservice to the discussion. Moreover. given that there are a good many women who are pro-life, calling it as strictly an attack on women's rights is rather narrow minded.
Now, if you firmly believe that it's not human until after birth, then I understand your position and I'm not going to argue against it or try to change your mind... just as I wouldn't try to argue against a pro-life advocate who honestly believes that life begins at conception or even a more moderate person who draws the line somewhere along the way between conception and birth. I will not openly object to ether position. What I do object to is the prejudicial blanket condemnation of all pro-lifers as people motivated by a desire to deny rights to women when it is clear that most take their position because they believe abortion is murder... agree or not with that belief, that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to label them all as having a completely different and heinous motivation. Just as I don't put a blanket label on pro-choice people as nothing more than a bunch of sexually immoral tramps who murder babies purely out of convenience. Pro lifers who honestly want to save lives rightfully reject your blind blanket assertion of their motivation just as you would reject an extremists view of yours.
I understand the tendency to do so, because if you are able to pin a heinous motivation on your adversary, it makes it easy to demonize them and therefore discredit them without an honest debate. Both sides do it, especially
in the abortion debate.
You're doing it here.