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post #46 of 155 (permalink) Old 09-26-2019, 09:08 PM
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Millions of abortions are done by women in the west, many of whom are like you and perfectly able to bring up a child. Most really poor women in really poor countries don't have abortions or have access to them anyway.
A western woman might look perfectly able to bring up a child, but no one knows what she's going through, looks are deceiving.

Many girls and women have secret abortions in my country. Abortions are illegal over there. Many die from the horrific conditions of clandestine clinics. They have "illegal" access to abortions, risking their lives in the process. Desperation is a powerful motivation.

And those women belong to the west too. They look just like me.

Last week, in my home country, a bill trying to legalize abortion resulting from a rape was rejected. I was surprised to see many men and women protesting the decision. Not only protesting but vandalizing government buildings.

Abortion is not for me but it should be an option for other women that look just like me.

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I really dislike abortion. I believe that women should have the ability to have an abortion without consequences, but i also believe that men should be able to give up their parental rights without consequences, the same as women can. That or it should be illegal for both. But thats a whole other story.

For people like me, who are generally against abortion, it has nothing to do with wanting to control womens bodies. I think most people are like me, they dislike it, wouldn't want to go through it, but don't want to see women criminalized for it.

This thread reminded me that we were about 12 days away from having a sibling trio placed with us when we were trying to adopt. And then i got orders and had to move. We went through the home study and everything only to have the army move us earlier than expected. And then, after that, my wife's health started failing and its been a downhill slide ever since.

But, she is getting a full hysterectomy on the 8th of next month, and that should help out quite a bit. She suffers from a pretty severe case of pelvic adhesive disease, so its not like we will ever have kids again anyway...

Maybe after she recovers we can pick up where we left off...

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IT will be hers, but she needs to be told the facts instead of this nonsense that its not human its just a few cells.

I think she knows...But still needs to make a decision.
I donít think there are any women that use abortion as a form of contraception.




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Gee... I wonder why people aren't freaking out about the actual children in actual cages, the actual children in actual poverty in your country, or the theoretical children (fertilized eggs) in actual cold storage by the thousands across your country.

It's because it isn't about children at all. It's about who gets control over women's bodies.
What country are you from? I am always curious about the launch point when somebody is throwing **** at my country.

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A western woman might look perfectly able to bring up a child, but no one knows what she's going through, looks are deceiving.

Many girls and women have secret abortions in my country. Abortions are illegal over there. Many die from the horrific conditions of clandestine clinics. They have "illegal" access to abortions, risking their lives in the process. Desperation is a powerful motivation.

And those women belong to the west too. They look just like me.

Last week, in my home country, a bill trying to legalize abortion resulting from a rape was rejected. I was surprised to see many men and women protesting the decision. Not only protesting but vandalizing government buildings.

Abortion is not for me but it should be an option for other women that look just like me.
Many who conceive a child during a rape keep the child. The recognise that's its not the childs fault how it came into being. I read a book a while back by a woman who had done just that. She had been raped by a man who broke into her home and conceived a child. With her husband's approval they bought up that child as their own, which must have been especially hard as they were white and the rapist was black. Not sure how they answered any questions about the fact that their daughter was mixed race but she has gown up into an amazing young lady.


Besides that rape and incest account for only 2 % of abortions.
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I think she knows...But still needs to make a decision.
I donít think there are any women that use abortion as a form of contraception.




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There are many women who have had multiple abortions, so I do think there are women who still use it in that way.
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Also cant believe that you think its ok to have had 3 of your children killed in this way.
None of my children have been killed, all three of them (now 2 adults and 1 teenage child) are still alive.
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The problem with trying to have a discussion about abortion on tam is that if you try and make a reasonable point against abortion you are accused of trying to control women and especially control their sexuality. If you try and make a reasonable point in favor of abortion you are accused of everything from murder to going against the will of God.
Some people consider the morning after pill to be an abortion, whilst others believe any form of contraception to be against Godís law.
On this thread we have had the fact that some women who for medical reasons have their eggs frozen been equated with abortion because not all of the eggs may be needed.
It can be called ad hominem or straw man or any other generalization available but the fact of the matter is people who have never been in the situation feel that they are entitled to pass judgment on people who are.
If a woman becomes pregnant and decides to keep her baby even if her partner is against it and leaves, he is still going to be paying child support whether he wants to or not. However if the father wants to keep the baby but the mother wants an abortion then his opinion is meaningless, his child is dead and heís not even supposed to mourn because in someone elseís opinion it wasnít really a child at all.
Now I know that plenty of women will say that itís them that have to carry the baby so the manís opinion doesnít matter but this is something that we canít change, we can share equally many parts of our relationship but we canít have children.
But I repeat what I wrote earlier, if you believe in abortion so be it. Do we really have to celebrate the death of a child with flags and balloons though?

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Great news. Murdering unborn humans is now not a crime!
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Many will get depression and other mental illnesses.
Not at any rate greater rate than the general population.

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Having an abortion does not lead to depression

May 30, 2018

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Having an abortion does not increase a woman's risk for depression, according to a new study of nearly 400,000 women. Previous research has found abortion does not harm women's mental health, yet studies claiming that it does have been used to justify state policies that restrict access to abortion in the US. This study's findings suggest those policies are misguided.
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2) The overwhelming majority of women report feelings of relief after an abortion. Those who maintain feelings of regret over time are affected mostly by societal stigma and the lack of social support

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4) Robust, high quality scientific research by organisations such as the American Psychological Association (APA) and the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges (AMRC) has concluded that abortion does not harm womenís mental health.
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Abortion not tied to increased risk of depression

(Reuters Health) - Women who have an abortion may be no more likely to develop depression than women who donít, a Danish study suggests.

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In the year after giving birth, however, these mothers were only 7 percent less likely to be depressed than other women. And, five years after giving birth, these mothers who had babies were twice as likely to have depression as women who didnít give birth.
My wife is in fine mental health (always has been), and has never required or been prescribed medication for depression, anxiety, or any other mental health condition. She also has no regrets, and is still happy with the outcome.

Likewise with my other partners including my wife, the overwhelming emotion at the time was of relief and happiness that they were no longer pregnant.

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Do we really have to celebrate the death of a child with flags and balloons though?
Who is celebrating the death of a child?

I just said it was good news (which it is), that it is finally no longer a criminal offence in New South Wales.
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None of my children have been killed, all three of them (now 2 adults and 1 teenage child) are still alive.
You conveniently forget about those who you were party to killing.
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Not at any rate greater rate than the general population.







My wife is in fine mental health (always has been), and has never required or been prescribed medication for depression, anxiety, or any other mental health condition. She also has no regrets, and is still happy with the outcome.

Likewise with my other partners including my wife, the overwhelming emotion at the time was of relief and happiness that they were no longer pregnant.
No one can kill their own child and it not affect then eventually, unless their conscience is so seared that they simply don't care about what they actually did. Your wife has many years for it to come back and haunt her. IT will have affected her whether she think it has or not.

Many other women are terribly affected by killing their own baby, not surprisingly.
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@Diana7, a foetus is not a child.
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No one can kill their own child and it not affect then eventually, unless their conscience is so seared that they simply don't care about what they actually did. Your wife has many years for it to come back and haunt her. IT will have affected her whether she think it has or not.



Many other women are terribly affected by killing their own baby, not surprisingly.

Men can be affected more, I would say....


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