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My impression is there is a scale from commonly held conspiracy theories to rarely held. Roughly, from widely to less widely held:
- Global warming hoax
- Vaccine are poisoning us
- Chemtrails
- JFK was killed by FBI/CIA
- Moon landing was faked
- Flat Earth

The researcher below does not seem to have much intellectual respect for those
Science and Cocktails
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...63721417718261

- lower levels of analytic thinking
- lower level of educational achievement
- lower levels of self-percieved morality

I suspect there is a reasonable chance that one will be true. My thinking is swayed by the Hillsborough disaster, which was shown on TV and involved many spectators being crushed to death. Following the disaster, The Sun in co-operation with the Government and polics published that what was on TV did not happen and instead it was completely different. I thought this was a conspiracy, but most who believe in climate change being a hoax held with the version published in The Sun.

It also seems to be associated with being male and politically with right wing populism. She mentions the function of blaming a few bad apples, which fits with there being a natural proper way to the world and it is those conspriacy people who are ruining it. System justification does explain why it is associated with the right.


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TDS is real, and Epstein didn't kill himself.

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TDS is real, and Epstein didn't kill himself.

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I would be interested in your thoughts.

I would have termed called it skepticism, but it seems we are naive in some ways and skeptical in others.
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As far as aerosol spraying, aka chem trails;

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The idea of spraying particles in the sky to dim the sun is no longer the subject of conspiracy theory websites and is not only being reported in the mainstream media, but advocated for. This week, CNBC put out a video titled How Bill Gates-Funded Solar Geoengineering Could Help End Climate Change.

The video is nothing short of an infomercial for chemtrails. It is truly bizarre how this subject has moved from the fringes of conspiracy circles and into the mainstream and no one is even batting an eye. Now that Bill Gates has endorsed and funded it, the world is suddenly open to the idea of attempting to modify the planet’s weather by spraying chemicals into the atmosphere to block out the sun.
Even Harvard university has plans to spray calcium carbonate.

Vaccines; depending on a persons allergies a vaccine could very well make them sick or kill them.


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So, TDS has been recognized by APA? Can you provide the DMS addendum link?


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Vaccines; depending on a persons allergies a vaccine could very well make them sick or kill them.

The reason they often ask if you have an egg allergy prior to certain vaccines.



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The reason they often ask if you have an egg allergy prior to certain vaccines.
Yes, many vaccines are produced in eggs, e.g. flu or yellow fever. Like thousands of others I have worked on production lines with the eggs.
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To take TDS.

I am sympathetic to a certain extent. To many liberals, Trump is the embodiment of the old days. He represents an old hierarchy that they see as being like an abusive step dad. Hence a very emotional response.

On the other hand, we have others who will accept to criticism of him. To them, he is the embodiment of the old days. He represents an old hierarchy that they see as being like an strict but loving Father who we should obey as he knows best. Hence a very emotional response.
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I am sympathetic to a certain extent. To many liberals, Trump is the embodiment of the old days. He represents an old hierarchy that they see as being like an abusive step dad. Hence a very emotional response.



On the other hand, we have others who will accept to criticism of him. To them, he is the embodiment of the old days. He represents an old hierarchy that they see as being like an strict but loving Father who we should obey as he knows best. Hence a very emotional response.


Trump embodies many of the conspiracies you listed earlier and even more.

If he were at slightly curious about serious issues both domestic and foreign I could tolerate his bombastic tone. But the man is our “crazy uncle” spewing conspiracy after conspiracy and also telling us how great he is. I don’t care how great he is, I would rather he demonstrate how he will work for all Americans (not just those who voted for him).


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They never ask about chemical allergies though.



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They never ask about chemical allergies though.


Which chemicals should medical professionals inquiry about?


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The example I cite as a conspiracy theory I believed in featured working class people being screwed over by posh people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Often conspiracies are the work of a international cabal working to undermine the hierarchy, i.e. knock posh people down. It could be a difference.
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When it comes to vaccines, yes there are occasional adverse affects. But, these are minimal compared to incidences of adverse affects due to potential pandemics. So, vaccines like all medicine are based on a benefit vs risk factors; nothing is absolute.

Before the widespread use of vaccines, it was estimated that an infectious pandemic would run through populations every 40 - 60 years. One could possibly suggested this culls the many tribes for a stronger gene pool and keeps populations in check. It also means that we have to recognize the cruelty of biology, sacrifice of the few for the entire species. Certainly not based on any conspiracy.




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Depending on the person: Thimerosal, Formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, potassium aluminum sulfate, neomycin sulfate, to name a few.


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This was a more general thread.

No-one is going to change their mind here.
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