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Here’s what the House is waiting for:


House says it needs Don McGahn's testimony for Senate trial and because Trump could face more articles of impeachment

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Actually what happened was the Democrats controlled who could be called and what questions could be asked of them. There was nothing in it for the Republicans to try to call their own witnesses because they would have been prohibited from taking the stand and being asked what the Republicans wanted to ask.

The President was within his rights to claim executive privilege. The Democrats, however, were so overwhelmed with concern that this process move forward super fast that they didn't bother to wait for the courts to review the dispute. If we believe what the Dems have been parroting for the last many months, the evidence they already have is rock solid and indisputable proof beyond any doubt that Trump indeed committed heinous high crimes worthy of impeachment.

So, between their stated certainty that they have proved Trump guilty and their concern for moving as fast as possible, they passed articles of impeachment.

Which means they have no cause to state they didn't have opportunity to fully investigate, and they have no justification for now delaying the process into the Senate.

IOW, the Dems are a bunch of whining political rats in the swamp who are just trying to maneuver for their own political gains.
Wow ... that was a lot of gyrations to get to "Dems are a bunch of whining polical rats" and republicans have nothing to gain by investigating the truth. Why didn't you just say so from the beginning?

The fact is that the republicans have no argument as to the actual merit of the issue. They just have procedure to obfuscate.
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Doesn’t matter.. here’s what’s going on, facts be damned:

"I have clearly made up my mind,” Graham said. “I'm not trying to hide the fact that I have disdain for the accusations in the process. So I don't need any witnesses. ... I am ready to vote on the underlying articles. I don't really need to hear a lot of witnesses."

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I know libs feel differently, but the way I read that is, witnesses are not going to be able to change his mind on the Articles for Impeachment they have right now. In fact, I'm pretty darn certain that is what he means. It was a fairly thorough investigation according to the House.

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Here’s what the House is waiting for:


House says it needs Don McGahn's testimony for Senate trial and because Trump could face more articles of impeachment

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/23/polit...use/index.html


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Can they bring new witnesses into this, legally and fairly? Wouldn't the testimony of their expert witnesses be the basis for their impeachment? I don't think they can do that. They would have to start a new set of hearings to see if they can find something else to write a new Article of impeachment and vote on it in the House before sending it to the Senate.

As someone said, it's obvious they are lying about the danger of this President. In fact, I think they are so incompetent, they should all be impeached on the Dem side of the House. What a bunch they are. lol

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Man... I think you have PDS.

She doesn't have the right to set rules, but obviously she can determine when the articles are presented. Its called politics.
PDS lol.

That's correct, she doesn't have the right to set the rules. Why is she bothering to make remarks about what the Senate does?

If she doesn't send these to the Senate, she should be impeached for abuse of power and wasteful spending of tax dollars, as well as treason. It's called the law.

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Can they bring new witnesses into this, legally and fairly? Wouldn't the testimony of their expert witnesses be the basis for their impeachment? I don't think they can do that. They would have to start a new set of hearings to see if they can find something else to write a new Article of impeachment and vote on it in the House before sending it to the Senate.



As someone said, it's obvious they are lying about the danger of this President. In fact, I think they are so incompetent, they should all be impeached on the Dem side of the House. What a bunch they are. lol


New witnesses? Did you read the article? McGahn is not a new witness, they’ve subpoenaed him.

“McGahn has refused to testify to the House Judiciary Committee since April about what he witnessed Trump say and do regarding the Russia investigation”


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New witnesses? Did you read the article? McGahn is not a new witness, they’ve subpoenaed him.

“McGahn has refused to testify to the House Judiciary Committee since April about what he witnessed Trump say and do regarding the Russia investigation”


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He's a new witness. He never testified. New witnesses are those that never testified in the House hearings. The House didn't want to wait and challenge the court about his refusal. McGahn did nothing illegal. In fact, that's what any of the actual witnesses could have done.

The Democratic House is incompetent.

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The Democratic House has had investigations on Trump going on since before he was elected. That's been over 3 years and used the FBI and intelligence agencies, taking them away from doing the work they would normally have done in an effort to find evidence for Articles for Impeachment.

The Senate needs to set a deadline for Pelosi to turn those Articles in or they become null and void.

They are only accusations they agreed upon in the Democratic House. They are nothing more than that until the Senate decides. The House has nothing to do with that process. Their job was to come up with the Articles. That's done.

They can mess around and continue this until the end of his term of office. They cannot modify these Articles of Impeachment. They have voted on them. That would be illegal.

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Here’s what the House is waiting for:


House says it needs Don McGahn's testimony for Senate trial and because Trump could face more articles of impeachment

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The Dems did the investigation. They closed it out when they voted articles of impeachment. They gave up on getting more testimony, but they could have waited for the federal courts to decide if McGahn could be compelled to testify under oath. If they had waited, and if the courts had decided the White House counsel could be compelled to testify, the Dems could have had his testimony.

But it was waaaay too urgent they end the investigation toot sweet and pass them articles of impeachment. Nancy was worried the voters in 2020 would decide the matter if she didn't hurry it up!

The investigators/prosecutors (the Dems in the House) completed their work. Now it goes to the Senate to act as jury. In any legal proceeding the prosecution does not get to add in more charges under the original indictment, and they don't get to bring in extraneous new testimony. That is, if someone is accused of arson for burning down a building, the prosecution doesn't get to bring in witnesses to claim the defendant also committed bank robbery. The prosecution doesn't get to try to convince the jury to convict the defendant of that bank robbery.

The prosecution can do a new investigation into the bank robbery and they can bring new separate charges of bank robbery, and then they can present that new case in a different trial.

The House could do more investigations and pass more articles of impeachment. But they don't get to now add in new charges to the existing articles, and they don't get to hold up the trial saying they want to do more investigation into another new additional potential future charge against Trump.

Furthermore, the jury in a trial doesn't bring forth new additional evidence. The jury doesn't add in new witnesses. The prosecutor is only allowed to bring forth evidence specific to the charges. That evidence is contained within the Articles of Impeachment they passed. The jury gets to hear that evidence and then decide if it proves the case.

All the Senate is obligated to do is review the evidence already developed, which is all public domain at this point, and then render their decision.
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@Thor, you wouldn't believe how many posts I've read in other places where the person wants to know when Trump will have to leave the White House, since he was impeached. They just don't get it. They think the House's vote for the Articles means he is guilty and will be removed from office upon their weight alone.

I just don't understand how the media could have been allowed to lead them to that conclusion. The media is worse than anything Russia did. The Democratic House of Representatives doesn't say a word, and even Schiff goes on television shows to show his pride in some accomplishment. What is that accomplishment? Getting around the Constitution is what and the laws against spying.


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Gee, Many Republicans Seem to Have Changed Their Minds on Impeachment Since Clinton

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Gee, Many Republicans Seem to Have Changed Their Minds on Impeachment Since Clinton

https://www.gq.com/story/republicans...iry-vs-clinton
Who cares? Clinton is a predator and rapist. He got off with lesser charges than he deserved. That's proven. Juanita Broderick, Monica Lewinsky and others too numerous to mention who have not had their day in court.

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Who cares? Clinton is a predator and rapist. He got off with lesser charges than he deserved. That's proven. Juanita Broderick, Monica Lewinsky and others too numerous to mention who have not had their day in court.


Wow really? Clinton? lol

“Donald Trump, an American businessman and current president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 23 women since the 1980s.[5]”

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Wow really? Clinton? lol

“Donald Trump, an American businessman and current president of the United States, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 23 women since the 1980s.[5]”

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Alright, the venerable Wikipedia where anyone can make a change to the article's content.

I'm sure he has been accused of many things. We know he has a mouth on him. We also know he paid for sex with that prostitute/porn star.

Clinton is linked to Epstein as well. He's been on the company plane with and without White House security. I think it was reported something like 17 times. Where would he have gone? Well, maybe New Mexico or to Epstein's island. On the other hand, they may have been going to Disneyland... but it's unlikely.

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Alright, the venerable Wikipedia where anyone can make a change to the article's content.



I'm sure he has been accused of many things. We know he has a mouth on him. We also know he paid for sex with that prostitute/porn star.



Clinton is linked to Epstein as well. He's been on the company plane with and without White House security. I think it was reported something like 17 times. Where would he have gone? Well, maybe New Mexico or to Epstein's island. On the other hand, they may have been going to Disneyland... but it's unlikely.


So not just Wikipedia, here are other sources and looks like trump has some pretty close Epstein ties as well. Really I don’t care about Clinton, it affects me zero percent, he’s not my president currently:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...t-list-2017-12


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...216.html%3famp

And Trump related to Epstein, perhaps this is why Epstein wound up dead:

“These grim possibilities are especially relevant to our recent exposé “Welcome to Waterbury,” which drew on 2016 lawsuit allegations that Trump and his billionaire friend Jeffrey Epstein in 1994 raped “Maria,” age 12, and “Jane Doe,” age 13, also known as Katie Johnson, in a New York City luxury townhouse then being used by Epstein. Details are here in the Wayne Madsen Report and the Justice Integrity Project (JIP).”

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