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In 2012, 62.5% of immigrant citizens identified as Democrats, 12.5% as Independents, and only 24.6% as Republicans. Illegal immigrants track the same, with a slightly stronger preference for Democrat.
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To be honest, your original post I found very offensive by referencing someone with dual citizenship as 'a guest'. If you don't see why that is an issue, then I don't know what to say.

I also assumed correctly that this would end up at the feet of one of the 3 democrat women in office that are often the targets of such types of things. So, I figured we would get there eventually, and it bothers me, because rather than attack her policies or her ideas, you are somehow just going to invalidate her by undercutting her Americanism.
Unless you get as offended, and defend as heartily over Native American issues I don't want to hear how speaking of a politician is offensive. By being in political office they knowingly invite scrutiny, no matter if born in u.s. or immigrated.

I dislike All politicians equally.

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“The complete lack of representation in the media, in pop culture, in K-12 education not only erases us (Native Americans) from the American consciousness, it inadvertently creates a bias,” consultant Echo Hawk told Women's Media Center. “People were less likely to support certain rights and social justice issues for Native people when they had zero perception and understanding of who we are. Invisibility and erasure is the modern form of racism against Native people.”[
Perhaps you're Native American. I don't know. If so I don't understand your stance.

Curious if you as staunchly supported, and felt outrage over Native Americans (people of a sovereign nation) being mauled by dogs, and sprayed with water cannons in freezing weather while defending their land, and water while protesting the Dakota access pipeline?
Which by the way has already had 5 oil spills polluting their drinking water!
Did you declare it to be their land, and their right?

Native Americans are Constantly fighting things such as this.

Federal Bill Seeks First Native American Land Grab in 100 Years

Federal court blocks attempt to condemn lands on Navajo Nation

Selling Off Apache Holy Land

Blatant discrimination': Native voters face barriers at ballot box


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Your subjective notions of which constitutional amendments promote more freedom and which do not are not particularly germane to the topic.

The 14th amendment took away the rights of the slaveholders to traffic in human flesh, after all. Given that the population count of the various states is explicitly defined in terms of the slave populations, I can't think of something more "unconstitutional".
It would actually be grand if we could just have one law.

Anyone is free to do as the please and no one my interfere No one may interfere as long as it doesn't infringe on the freedom of another or damage another's property.


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Although not considered as such by u.s. standards, by a change in Somalia law in 2012, Ilhan Omar is automatically granted Somalia citizenship as long as her father was Somali
Although possible coincidence Considering one year ago she glowingly endorsed the Somali president very soon after her b-I-l was appointed permanent secretary to Prime Minister Khayre seems to me there could be a conflict of interest as well as fact other senators have expressed concern of her being privy to sensitive information considering her foreign contacts.

In 2015 Somalia restricted foreign labor placing emphasis on their own people.
Require all immigrants to register, and breaking any laws, even unknowingly, leads to expulsion, arrest and imprisonment.
Guns are rampant in Somalia according to statistics.

Yet her track record is voting for more legislation on gun rights, and lax u.s. immigration.

I will attempt to discuss with any who actually want to discuss how such situations could effect u s security and rights we hold dear.
So someone doesn't like her voting and/or her association w/ the Somali president, but it would all be ok if she didn't have Somali citizenship?

I don't see your point.
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So someone doesn't like her voting and/or her association w/ the Somali president, but it would all be ok if she didn't have Somali citizenship?

I don't see your point.
What about Trump's relationships with Putin, Kim Jung Un and so on.
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There's a big issue with the Dem leaders (Nancy, Chuck and the like) that most Dem voters don't seem to realize. These cat have found the ultimate sweet spot, rocking chair. They live like Republicans and talk like Democrats with enough mastery to get elected.

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There's a big issue with the Dem leaders (Nancy, Chuck and the like) that most Dem voters don't seem to realize. These cat have found the ultimate sweet spot, rocking chair. They live like Republicans and talk like Democrats with enough mastery to get elected.
Neither party really lives their platform. Unless the republican platform is to suck up to corporations and screw everyone but the rich. That is what the leadership of both parties do.
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Unless you get as offended, and defend as heartily over Native American issues I don't want to hear how speaking of a politician is offensive. By being in political office they knowingly invite scrutiny, no matter if born in u.s. or immigrated.

I dislike All politicians equally.
You may, but you only started a thread attacking one.

Why wouldn't I be upset about the treatment of native americans?

What I find most interesting is that the politician you have chosen to attack is one of the few that actually seem to be trying to change things in some way.
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You may, but you only started a thread attacking one.

Why wouldn't I be upset about the treatment of native americans?

What I find most interesting is that the politician you have chosen to attack is one of the few that actually seem to be trying to change things in some way.
I watched several interviews of her she is a politician like Just like the rest.

Start watching interviews over the years and see how many times she refers Somalia as “My country” before catching herself and saying country she came from.
I’ll give you one quote from 2015 while talking to her constituents.
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“You guys have the ability to make an impact on where our nation is headed, not only here in the United States, but even in our nation back home,
many times over the years.

Are you starting to understand?
As far as her being elected in her district. Over 80k Somali refugees in her district.
Yet native Americans often get districts divided so their voting block matters little.

Johnson defines a politician as "A man of artifice; one of deep contrivance."
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Politicks is not a science so properly as a business. It cannot have fixed principles, from which a wise man would never swerve, unless the inconstancy of men's view of interest and the capriciousness of the tempers could be fixed.




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What about Trump's relationships with Putin, Kim Jung Un and so on.
I disagree with all politicians equally.


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Neither party really lives their platform. Unless the republican platform is to suck up to corporations and screw everyone but the rich. That is what the leadership of both parties do.
We do agree on something!


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So someone doesn't like her voting and/or her association w/ the Somali president, but it would all be ok if she didn't have Somali citizenship?

I don't see your point.
Actually no.
Whether she is a Somali citizen or not wouldn’t matter.
It’s a politicians actions and agenda. I think very few people are familiar with the kaizen principle or ever notice its application.

Have you ever looked at the news stories, only reported on locally, in Minnesota, or northeast where their are large blocks of refugees?
One park in northeast people are afraid to go to because of refugee children claiming park as theirs running others out?
Children of all ages beating people with sticks and their mothers not stopping them?

Doubtful because it’s not politically correct, and they get removed from new sites fairly quick.

Or one from Minnesota during one of their festivals claiming it is their town now? I watched the video on local television channel before it was removed.
Fights if people get in their way?
“Eyewitness accounts actually state that about 100 **** were jumping fences, spitting on people, stealing, and assaulting people en masse…..but videos, comments, and posts pertaining to those details are being actively scrubbed“
Later news starts calling them individuals.
WCCO Minnesota reported police had to evacuate valleyfair as they were unable to contain the situation.
Can probably find the story in newspaper up there.

ETA: it’s not a one-off occurrence. There are several incidents.

Does it make more sense now about people being in office with skewed loyalty?


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I watched several interviews of her she is a politician like Just like the rest.

Start watching interviews over the years and see how many times she refers Somalia as “My country” before catching herself and saying country she came from.
I’ll give you one quote from 2015 while talking to her constituents. many times over the years.

Are you starting to understand?
As far as her being elected in her district. Over 80k Somali refugees in her district.
Yet native Americans often get districts divided so their voting block matters little.

Johnson defines a politician as "A man of artifice; one of deep contrivance."
Perhaps Fisher Ames said it best:
I don't have a problem with her quote at all. What part of that shows that she is choosing to do something for Somalia at the cost of America?

She was talking to Somali Americans, and that is how I would expect her to address them. She is a part of both groups, and she is encouraging them to be active in improving both the US and Somalia. Is that a bad thing?

She won her district by 200,000 votes, with 80% of the total vote. It wasn't Somali ballot box stuffing.
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I don't have a problem with her quote at all. What part of that shows that she is choosing to do something for Somalia at the cost of America?

She was talking to Somali Americans, and that is how I would expect her to address them. She is a part of both groups, and she is encouraging them to be active in improving both the US and Somalia. Is that a bad thing?

She won her district by 200,000 votes, with 80% of the total vote. It wasn't Somali ballot box stuffing.
I’ll spell it out when I have time.
For the moment let’s see how Somalis get along with native Americans
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rift between the American Indian and Somali populations is rooted in the simple fact that the neighborhood is changing. Census data suggest that over the past decade, the American Indian population is declining, while the African community is growing. Cheap rent drew Somali refugees to the area displacing Native Americans.
community members say in a few cases, young Somali gang members assaulted American Indian women. And Somalis say young American Indian men have attacked Somali women in return.

longtime American Indian residents and some of their newest neighbors from Somalia are struggling to get along.

Native American and Somali students have been fighting each other on school buses.

And with the weather warming up, youth leaders predict more fighting over basketball courts in the area.
Odd native Americans weren’t asked if they wanted them there.
Hasn’t gotten any better despite them trying to form coalition to get along.
Once again native Americans are being displaced.

Native Americans are being moved from one place to the other again.


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