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post #106 of 360 (permalink) Old 01-21-2020, 12:41 PM
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I have always felt that the notion of having arms to protect yourself from oppression by the government seemed odd. If it came down to it, you are so ridiculously out-gunned, out-trained, out-manned, it would be a rout.

My personal belief is that we seem to have forgotten the qualifier of the 2nd Amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

Apparently well regulated militia means hodge podge of random gun owners.

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I have always felt that the notion of having arms to protect yourself from oppression by the government seemed odd. If it came down to it, you are so ridiculously out-gunned, out-trained, out-manned, it would be a rout.

My personal belief is that we seem to have forgotten the qualifier of the 2nd Amendment "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

Apparently well regulated militia means hodge podge of random gun owners.
It's one of the things that strikes me as odd as a Canadian. I get that I have a bias about it, but I've also grown up on a farm, owned guns as a kid, and that kind of thing.

But needing to pack around one with you just seemed... impolite. And dangerous. Kind of like smoking, I guess.

And the weirdest bit was to make sure your own government is afraid of you. I mean, it's your government. You own it, you vote for it, and it's bound (theoretically) by the same laws that you are. It seems weird to defend yourself against... well, yourself, essentially. But I also understand that there's a deep sense in many places that the government is not yours, and you've lost control of it through corruption, gerrymandering, lobbying, etc. But again, I don't see how owning guns is going to fix those things. Fixing those things would require direct participation in the political process, not guns.
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I’m proud of him for standing up for our rights. It’s the other idiots pushing their own agendas that I’m worried about. I do wish he wasn’t going because of the high potential for violence.

I realize that the media will be putting their spin on it for the ratings and I will keep that in mind but I will be watching.


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You nailed it...THE MEDIA. What high potential of violence might there be? You mean the high potential of violence the media suggested? Does one really move their agenda forward with violence(specifically using a weapon) at a rally to support the right to bear arms? Those that attended were quite clear they were not associated with any nutty fringe group(from my understand attempted to interject themselves) and will have no parts of violence.

Another media needless hype for a damn rating.

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You nailed it...THE MEDIA. What high potential of violence might there be? You mean the high potential of violence the media suggested? Does one really move their agenda forward with violence(specifically using a weapon) at a rally to support the right to bear arms? Those that attended were quite clear they were not associated with any nutty fringe group(from my understand attempted to interject themselves) and will have no parts of violence.

Another media needless hype for a damn rating.
To be fair, there were 3 people arrested that were plotting firing positions at the rally. There were also multiple death threats made against state senators, so it's not like they just manufactured a story from nothing.
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To be fair, there were 3 people arrested that were plotting firing positions at the rally. There were also multiple death threats made against state senators, so it's not like they just manufactured a story from nothing.
Holy ****.

That is so wild. And terrible. Who were these people, and what agenda were they trying to drive with violence, or the threat of violence?

Is this normal?
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We don't need to guess at the political shifts in the US. It is tracked quite closely by many independent organizations. The truth is we really ARE more polarized on most issues - both parties have shifted more to their extremes since the 1970s.

If you only see it from one side, perhaps your sources are too biased.

See for instance (from Pew)

https://www.people-press.org/2017/10...ws-even-wider/

or from the General Social Survey

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...w-bush-ran-it/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...last-30-years/
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To be fair, there were 3 people arrested that were plotting firing positions at the rally. There were also multiple death threats made against state senators, so it's not like they just manufactured a story from nothing.
To be fair, this is nothing new...death threats to those in government occur daily. Nothing new here or special. People arrested? Gasp...that just about happens daily outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington DC. Resident there gets death threats daily as well. Nothing new or special. Firing positions? Same for the address in Washington DC.

Anyway, we have security at ALL protests and rally for just this reason. The media billing this event as some how MORE special. I do recall Sunday night Baltimore news...."White Supremacist descend on the Richmond capital." "News and weather at 11:00".

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To compare a rally in Virginia with what happens to the white house is pretty comical. Also, there are not daily arrests of people planning to assassinate the president or even plan a mass shooting of any random type. To say that happens everyday as if it is just a common occurrence is laughable.

Also, state senators are not threatened every day, most people don't even know who they are.
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We don't need to guess at the political shifts in the US. It is tracked quite closely by many independent organizations. The truth is we really ARE more polarized on most issues - both parties have shifted more to their extremes since the 1970s.

If you only see it from one side, perhaps your sources are too biased.

See for instance (from Pew)

https://www.people-press.org/2017/10...ws-even-wider/

or from the General Social Survey

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...w-bush-ran-it/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...last-30-years/
This was very much my sense of it:

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Political scientists, using DW-Nominate scores,2 have concluded that the Republicans now in Congress are much further to the right of congressional Republicans in the 1970s and 1980s. And even anecdotally, figures like former House Speaker John Boehner, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and the late Arizona Sen. John McCain — considered solid conservatives in the George H.W. Bush era — found themselves cast as insufficiently right-wing by the party’s base in recent years.
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But why have so many Democrats moved to the left on these issues? On the one hand, the fact that race and immigration played such a central role in the 2016 election was certainly a contributing factor. A 2018 study by Peter Enns at Cornell University found that rather than voters choosing a candidate who matched their views on controversies like the Black Lives Matter movement, they actually changed their own views to match those of their preferred candidates. And there is evidence that Trump is continuing to drive some of this — although, perhaps not in the way one might expect. There isn’t evidence, for instance, that his rhetoric has contributed to an uptick in racist and sexist attitudes among white voters; instead, as FiveThirtyEight contributor Matt Grossmann has written, “the evidence shows that liberal-leaning voters moved away from [Trump’s] views faster than conservatives moved toward them.”
So Republicans have shifted even further right (except for same sex rights, etc), and the Democrats have shifted even further left, interestingly accelerated by Trump being in office.

Well, that supports him being divisive instead of inclusive, that's for sure.

This has to trouble the GOP though, you'd think. I mean, Trump is pushing the Democrats even further away from the middle and away from the GOP. And the GOP is aging out, according to this.

Thanks for this.
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To be fair, this is nothing new...death threats to those in government occur daily. Nothing new here or special. People arrested? Gasp...that just about happens daily outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington DC. Resident there gets death threats daily as well. Nothing new or special. Firing positions? Same for the address in Washington DC.

Anyway, we have security at ALL protests and rally for just this reason. The media billing this event as some how MORE special. I do recall Sunday night Baltimore news...."White Supremacist descend on the Richmond capital." "News and weather at 11:00".
wait wait wait...

This is normal?

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To compare a rally in Virginia with what happens to the white house is pretty comical. Also, there are not daily arrests of people planning to assassinate the president or even plan a mass shooting of any random type. To say that happens everyday as if it is just a common occurrence is laughable.

Also, state senators are not threatened every day, most people don't even know who they are.
I did read that one legislator was moved to a safe house.
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wait wait wait...

This is normal?
wait, wait, wait....yes it is. Hmmm...there is gun play at charity softball events as well. Congressmen actually shot!

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I did read that one legislator was moved to a safe house.
Where did you read this? The AOC Times?

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wait, wait, wait....yes it is. Hmmm...there is gun play at charity softball events as well. Congressmen actually shot!
Wow.

Is it not considered problematic?
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To compare a rally in Virginia with what happens to the white house is pretty comical. Also, there are not daily arrests of people planning to assassinate the president or even plan a mass shooting of any random type. To say that happens everyday as if it is just a common occurrence is laughable.

Also, state senators are not threatened every day, most people don't even know who they are.
You keep on believing that.

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