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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-29-2018, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
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Protocol for online job search?

I haven't applied for a job in 20 years. My BF is looking for a new job. Of course, things have changed from 20 years ago.

Back in the day, you would snail mail or email a resume, cover letter, etc. and then follow up with a phone call to ensure receipt. Or physically go to the brick and mortar business and drop them off.

When you apply online, is a follow up phone call a thing of the past? Would it be considered a nuisance?

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Depends on the job and what the advert says.

If it says they will contact candidates I would leave it alone after submitting a resume.

Try to register with a head hunting firm if they is possible with the industry your BF is looking for. They usually have good leads at the expense of wanting 'you' to be exclusive to them while they market you.

There are other sites like Indeed/Monster, etc. that you can post resumes to and have potential employers find you there.

Depending on the field, something like a Linked In account is good too.

On our last posting, we had some candidate do too much follow up and that is indeed a turn off.
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What sort of job.

For a lot of places, online has become the most important. If it is a professional job, then a good linked in profile is critical.
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On our last posting, we had some candidate do too much follow up and that is indeed a turn off.
What did this job seeker do that was such a turn off?
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What did this job seeker do that was such a turn off?

Its replying and asking about our consideration the day after we sent him a message saying we received his initial application, his dropped off application, his application to our online posting and that we would be replying to everyone the following week.

All told, he corresponded to us about six times over four days. All in all, it shows him being persistent which is sometimes good but he appeared to have been just applying for "anything" as his basic skills did not meet the requirements outlined in our posting.
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Agreed. A follow up to make sure an application has been received is good. Multiple calls looks like pestering.



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Its replying and asking about our consideration the day after we sent him a message saying we received his initial application, his dropped off application, his application to our online posting and that we would be replying to everyone the following week.

All told, he corresponded to us about six times over four days. All in all, it shows him being persistent which is sometimes good but he appeared to have been just applying for "anything" as his basic skills did not meet the requirements outlined in our posting.
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When I was hiring what seemed good and bad was:

Good
Someone who has clearly learned something about my company before applying
Showing interest / enthusiasm
Asking questions that show that you are also trying to find out if you are a good fit, rather than just looking for any job.


Bad
Listing skills you don't actually have.
Trying to BS answers to technical questions.


Unimportant
How you are dressed
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Re: Protocol for online job search?

It depends 100% on the line of business... and the scope.

When s-wife mounted a massive job search, she sent out a couple hundred resumes in four or five states. If you live in Paducah, that is different.

Use job sites and hope for a 5% screening interview response rate, a 1% interview rate, and from there, maybe 25 to 50% chance of landing the position.
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Agreed. A follow up to make sure an application has been received is good. Multiple calls looks like pestering.
Worse, it stinks of desperation. Desperation isn't any more attractive to a hiring manager than it would be to a prospective date. No one likes a stage-five clinger.

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I haven't applied for a job in 20 years. My BF is looking for a new job. Of course, things have changed from 20 years ago.

Back in the day, you would snail mail or email a resume, cover letter, etc. and then follow up with a phone call to ensure receipt. Or physically go to the brick and mortar business and drop them off.

When you apply online, is a follow up phone call a thing of the past? Would it be considered a nuisance?

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Depends on several factors including the size of the company. If it is huge or with multiple sites it might not be possible for your call to be connected to the right person.



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Its replying and asking about our consideration the day after we sent him a message saying we received his initial application, his dropped off application, his application to our online posting and that we would be replying to everyone the following week.

All told, he corresponded to us about six times over four days. All in all, it shows him being persistent which is sometimes good but he appeared to have been just applying for "anything" as his basic skills did not meet the requirements outlined in our posting.
I would not have been turned off.
I would have been helpful.

The chap was rather desperate. Needed a hand-up, not a hand off.

I would have talked to him on the phone, found out if he/she was employable. Not a basket case.
This sort of person, often times will turn out to be so grateful they will do a great job. Yes, will need training.

It was obvious he/she wanted to work at your 'joint' and made that rather obvious.
You could even have given him/her a tip as to where he might be 'better suited'.

One of your' 'feeder' companies. One of those that your company, uh, steals employees from!!

I know, I know, not your job, not your scope, management would not quite approve.
You only have so much time in your day. You cannot help every poor chum in life.

I did this on a few occasion with interviewees. Not as a member of HR, but as an applicant interviewer/approver.

Sitting on the other side of the long interview table can be harrowing for some folks.

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Its replying and asking about our consideration the day after we sent him a message saying we received his initial application, his dropped off application, his application to our online posting and that we would be replying to everyone the following week.

All told, he corresponded to us about six times over four days. All in all, it shows him being persistent which is sometimes good but he appeared to have been just applying for "anything" as his basic skills did not meet the requirements outlined in our posting.
Thanks for your reply. The problem is that job seekers are taught to go all out to get the job. If leaving one message doesn't get a return phone call, then maybe several messages will. IF the job seeker is living at home with his parents, you can be sure that's the kind of advice that he / she will get.

I'd like to get your and @uhtred 's opinion about thank you notes after the interview. After they effective, are they even expected? At the least are they welcomed?

And if yes, to any of the above, then how do you like it delivered? Snail mail by printed card or plain stationery? Or by e-mail?

I've gotten into this debate before.
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Re: Protocol for online job search?

I'm sure different people think differently on this.

For me it doesn't matter. I do my best to not consider "social" issues like this in selecting hires. I do count their ability to interact with other people, but I completely understand that there are no set rules on follow-up emails, dress code, etc.

I do prefer not to get "social" emails after an interview because it feels like an attempt at manipulation. (not a big deal, but a preference). So prefer no Christmas cards and the like.




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Thanks for your reply. The problem is that job seekers are taught to go all out to get the job. If leaving one message doesn't get a return phone call, then maybe several messages will. IF the job seeker is living at home with his parents, you can be sure that's the kind of advice that he / she will get.

I'd like to get your and @uhtred 's opinion about thank you notes after the interview. After they effective, are they even expected? At the least are they welcomed?

And if yes, to any of the above, then how do you like it delivered? Snail mail by printed card or plain stationery? Or by e-mail?

I've gotten into this debate before.
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Re: Protocol for online job search?

While I personally think a printed card or written letter would be great (although overboard) it is more common these days for a short email thanking people for the interview and an invitation to follow up (from what I have seen/heard anyway).

@SunCMars : I finally gave him a few minutes and pointed out how he could have done better and the first step was to highlight the point of being more focused on how his skills could be used to fit the desired position. There was a subtle push for him to actually read/understand what the position entailed and to be sure he met the basic qualifications.
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Thanks for your reply. The problem is that job seekers are taught to go all out to get the job. If leaving one message doesn't get a return phone call, then maybe several messages will. IF the job seeker is living at home with his parents, you can be sure that's the kind of advice that he / she will get.

I'd like to get your and @uhtred 's opinion about thank you notes after the interview. After they effective, are they even expected? At the least are they welcomed?

And if yes, to any of the above, then how do you like it delivered? Snail mail by printed card or plain stationery? Or by e-mail?

I've gotten into this debate before.
I appreciate a thank you note after an interview in the form of a simple email. While if I didn't get one, it certainly doesn't eliminate a potential candidate from the opening, it does help show that the person is probably more invested and interested in the position than someone that doesn't follow up with a thank you note. JMO

As for follow ups after an interview or submitting a resume, I'd say a couple of follow ups (with maybe a week in between) is good but no more than that.

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