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Just watching Botched each week reminds me of how skilled doctors -- and especially surgeons are. They can't exactly open you up and then take their time in deciding what to do with you.
They sometimes do. Exploratory surgery

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"Consider that in most states that have large indigenous populations, any registered tribal member with a HS diploma gets automatic full free tuition at any state school. Do the boat people get that?"
That's a load of b.s.
My wife is native American as well as her kids. Not a one got free tuition. Neither did Russell Means, from a different tribe and state as my wife. Wifes oldest paid her own way over years to get chance for an NP. Not a dime from the government or tribe.
I live in one of the states with highest native population and not a one got free tuition.


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"Consider that in most states that have large indigenous populations, any registered tribal member with a HS diploma gets automatic full free tuition at any state school. Do the boat people get that?"
That's a load of b.s.
My wife is native American as well as her kids. Not a one got free tuition. Neither did Russell Means, from a different tribe and state as my wife. Wifes oldest paid her own way over years to get chance for an NP. Not a dime from the government or tribe.
I live in one of the states with highest native population and not a one got free tuition.
Then none of them registered. I have several relatives who did and went to college free.

The world is bigger than YOUR world.
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That's a load of b.s.

My wife is native American as well as her kids. Not a one got free tuition. Neither did Russell Means, from a different tribe and state as my wife. Wifes oldest paid her own way over years to get chance for an NP. Not a dime from the government or tribe.

I live in one of the states with highest native population and not a one got free tuition.
Except I didn't write the above . I responded to it though.
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Then none of them registered. I have several relatives who did and went to college free.

The world is bigger than YOUR world.
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Let's see. Pitt river in California, Sioux in Dakota's, choctaw, Cherokee, and osage in Oklahoma is pretty broad area.

And I damn sure am not going to take a picture of her cdib card to post and prove she is.

If they did get free tuition it was because of their tribe.
Never seen mention of it in Native American Times paper which discusses issues most tribes face so to quote, "the world is bigger than your world."
Just because one tribe may pay for their members to attend college doesn't mean they all do.
My wife got a small stipend from the tribe for going but to quote her on whether it came close to covering just tuition costs. "Hell no!!"

ETA: many tribes have made cut backs in the last 2 years.
We live in a different native territory than my wife is a tribal member of but tribes worked together to provide health care.
Both tribes since AHCA have made many cut backs on medical coverage.
It has effected other areas as well.

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Except I didn't write the above . I responded to it though.
Aah. My bad. Apologies. It showed as a statement.


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Depends how you define 'success'.

Hard work doesn't always result in monetary success, but almost always results in real success as I would define it.

That is: doing a bang ass job and contributing your share to society.
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I don't understand understand what the Protestant work ethic comment is about... since I don't know what the term refers to or what it means. But I have worked with teams with what I thought of as a work hard mindset, and ones with a work smart mindset. The latter got better results. Always.

I have worked with people who wanted to be rewarded for things like hours worked, punctuality, etc.. When their work sucked. In the public sector, this bs flew. But not in the private sector.
My comment on protestant work ethic referred to the fallacious ideology one must toil to eat, and success through "material prosperity" from such toil was considered as a determinant for, or of salvation.

Everytime I hear of it I think of the black Bob tribe


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I agree that the definition of success can and should vary with the individual and that hard work will usually get you there.

"almost always" might be a little strong, I'd go with usually - maybe I've just happened to know enough people who through no obvious fault of their own ended up in very difficult situations.

Still, I largely agree.

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Depends how you define 'success'.

Hard work doesn't always result in monetary success, but almost always results in real success as I would define it.

That is: doing a bang ass job and contributing your share to society.


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With all due respect to you and any here as a person; I view investments, sad to say, as living on the backs of others. Capitalism itself is based on theft, and death.
It's not a matter of due respect -- this is just totally perplexing. How so? An investment provides capital for a business to get going, grow, expand. You are often taking a huge risk when you invest.

Why would anyone invest if there was no chance to make money? And if it wasn't for investments, those companies and jobs would not exist... so how is investing living off the backs of others? It seems to me it's providing jobs and opportunities for others that simply would not exist without the investment.
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In the old days where you bought and held stocks forever it was not. In today's stock market, we're all being played basically so it's more of a zero sum game.

S-wife worked for a couple legit dot coms in the late 1990s. Bought very low, and sold super high right before the dot com crash.

One would have to be very gullible to accept that her (our ) gain didn't result in some other guys loss.
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It's not a matter of due respect -- this is just totally perplexing. How so? An investment provides capital for a business to get going, grow, expand. You are often taking a huge risk when you invest.

Why would anyone invest if there was no chance to make money? And if it wasn't for investments, those companies and jobs would not exist... so how is investing living off the backs of others? It seems to me it's providing jobs and opportunities for others that simply would not exist without the investment.
Tip of the iceberg:
'Money' first.
What is fractional reserve banking. How does it ensure the national debt will never be paid off?
What are the legal definitions of "note," and 'certificate?'
Then take out any 'legal tender' in your pocket and read it.

What is the FIAT currency we are under?
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Fiat money is a currency without intrinsic value that has been established as money, often by government regulation. Fiat money does not have use value, and has value only because a government maintains its value, or because parties engaging in exchange agree on its value. introduced as an alternative to commodity money and representative money. Commodity money is created from a good, often a precious metal such as gold or silver, which has uses other than as a medium of exchange. Representative money is similar to fiat money, but it represents a claim on a commodity.
What is the difference between a u.s. federal reserve note, and a silver or gold certificate?
What is the difference between a UNITED STATES NOTE, which kennedy had implemented before his death to take the place of the federal reserve note which was re-instituted after his death?

As I stated in a post earlier, an older very well off couple was singing praises how their stocks were doing because so many military weapons were being used. They never realized every dollar they gained was soaked in blood.
Stocks are divested, some will wind up in stocks of private prison industry, military industrial complex, of which Eisenhower warned the nation about. It's living off the death and misery of people.

There is a starting point and a couple obvious examples, and where I will stop.

ETA: I meant I was respectfully, without condemnation, disagreeing. Only a few people see the patterns without them being pointed out, and as represented by many replies not fully understood.


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I will have to think on an easy answer for that one. I can see it easily but hard for me to explain with a dissertation.

Maybe: Most doctors aren't taught diet as cause or treatment of health problems. They are simply taught drugs to treat of which most can get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies.

Perhaps a couple anecdotal stories. Will help.

10yrs ago my wife went for a checkup and her blood pressure was dangerously high. They told her only option was BP medication. She asked what I thought. I told her she could try one simple dietary change to see if it worked. One week later her BP was normal. Doctors who see her past chart can't believe she isn't on any type of medication at her age.

She is the only one of her siblings, including those younger than her who isn't on a daily medication.

Last physical her LDL cholesterol was high. They didn't suggest she take statins, they cajoled, manipulated, insisted she take them.

I asked the doctor, there are 2 types of LDL correct. Doctor agreed. The small cell LDL is the one of concern correct? Doctor agreed.
When I asked what the ratio of large cell LDL to small cell LDL was we were told they dont test for that.
When I proceeded to ask why they would prescribe statins with out doing the prerequisite tests to know whether it would be of benefit the doctor flipped, and went after my wife.
I wish I had recorded all the coercive techniques, mental abuse tactics she used to pressure my wife into taking the prescription. Blew mind. Attacks on my person directed at my wife.

Neither of those doctors mentioned diet or questioned diet to see if such could have been a cause. All about prescribing a drug.
In my opinion, statins are a complete scam. They are based on the completely unscientific notion that if high cholesterol is correlated with heart disease (dubious in itself), then lowering cholesterol levels will prevent or reduce the risk of heart disease.

This makes as much sense to me as noticing that there is a correlation between graduating from college and making more money, and concluding that therefore everyone should graduate from college so they can all make more money.

In fact, the research indicates clearly that giving statins does NOT improve overall mortality rates. It is true that you have a lower risk of a heart attack, but your causes of death, including heart failure, increase enough to make up the difference.

So I'm not taking statins, and neither is anyone else in my family.

(Usual disclaimers: not a doctor, I don't give medical advice, etc.)

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Tip of the iceberg:
'Money' first.
What is fractional reserve banking. How does it ensure the national debt will never be paid off?
What are the legal definitions of "note," and 'certificate?'
Then take out any 'legal tender' in your pocket and read it.

What is the FIAT currency we are under?

What is the difference between a u.s. federal reserve note, and a silver or gold certificate?
What is the difference between a UNITED STATES NOTE, which kennedy had implemented before his death to take the place of the federal reserve note which was re-instituted after his death?

As I stated in a post earlier, an older very well off couple was singing praises how their stocks were doing because so many military weapons were being used. They never realized every dollar they gained was soaked in blood.
Stocks are divested, some will wind up in stocks of private prison industry, military industrial complex, of which Eisenhower warned the nation about. It's living off the death and misery of people.

There is a starting point and a couple obvious examples, and where I will stop.

ETA: I meant I was respectfully, without condemnation, disagreeing. Only a few people see the patterns without them being pointed out, and as represented by many replies not fully understood.
None of this has anything to do with capitalism.

The Federal Reserve is not a capitalist enterprise: it is a government-sanctioned counterfeiting operation.

The military-industrial-complex is not a capitalist institution. It is a government-funded murder operation.

The prison-industrial-complex is not a capitalist institution. It is a government-funded kidnapping and torture operation.

Do you notice a pattern? I do.

But it isn't a pattern of capitalism.

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