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post #31 of 43 (permalink) Old 11-06-2019, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
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To me doing a cleanse/detox means speeding up the removal of toxins or “bad junk”. I’m aware that I can’t really define toxins or bad stuff. But helping your body flush it’s system by.... promoting sweating (sauna) or promoting waste removal via urine/feces.

I know there is limited resources on this. In my head it makes sense. And in my head it doesn’t sound harmful.

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This. There is no scientific basis for doing a "detox". You will derive tremendous benefits from eating healthier and exercising more. But doing a "detox" is about as useful as thinking that a one or two week workout regime will have a lasting impact on your body. You can't be healthy living badly and doing an occasional detox. To be more healthy, you are better off making incremental improvements in what you eat and how often you exercise. It's all about lifestyle change and not about quick fixes.

This response and those similar are activities I can personally say works, and those in my circle of friends all have the same good results.

Pick the one way you can track calories, limit sugar, and get enough carbs and proper protien and vitamins intake.

For me, when I wasn't getting enough good carbs my energy was way down, and I experimented with ways to get to the right levels for me.

Pay attention to nutrition first, limit calories, keep your protein up.

I limited calories to approx 1700 a day when losing weight and improving my cholesterol.

After a couple weeks in I limited calories to 1500, and had some 1300 days even, yet some 1700 days and found what balance kept me healthy and more energetic.

Not really about detoxing at all but a better diet has made me more trim and healthy.

The unpleasant part is:

You have to make the effort and take the time to learn more about good nutrition. Self education is hard sometimes on topics we don't want to really do.

Just get started in a small way, and ultimately find your own balance. You can do it.

I lost 63lbs over a 9 month period and hit my target weight.

It seems like it takes forever but a little each day in the right direction gets you there. Because time passes regardless of our daily perception, so think positive and the more you learn about nutrition the better you'll be.
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To me doing a cleanse/detox means speeding up the removal of toxins or “bad junk”. I’m aware that I can’t really define toxins or bad stuff. But helping your body flush it’s system by.... promoting sweating (sauna) or promoting waste removal via urine/feces.

I know there is limited resources on this. In my head it makes sense. And in my head it doesn’t sound harmful.
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This response and those similar are activities I can personally say works, and those in my circle of friends all have the same good results.

Pick the one way you can track calories, limit sugar, and get enough carbs and proper protien and vitamins intake.

For me, when I wasn't getting enough good carbs my energy was way down, and I experimented with ways to get to the right levels for me.

Pay attention to nutrition first, limit calories, keep your protein up.

I limited calories to approx 1700 a day when losing weight and improving my cholesterol.

After a couple weeks in I limited calories to 1500, and had some 1300 days even, yet some 1700 days and found what balance kept me healthy and more energetic.

Not really about detoxing at all but a better diet has made me more trim and healthy.

The unpleasant part is:

You have to make the effort and take the time to learn more about good nutrition. Self education is hard sometimes on topics we don't want to really do.

Just get started in a small way, and ultimately find your own balance. You can do it.

I lost 63lbs over a 9 month period and hit my target weight.

It seems like it takes forever but a little each day in the right direction gets you there. Because time passes regardless of our daily perception, so think positive and the more you learn about nutrition the better you'll be.
This is exactly the issue. Detox sounds logical. The problem is that many things that sound logical just aren't true. Bloodletting sounds pretty logical until you understand the germ theory of disease.

People used to take tonics of strong alcohol and morphine for all sorts of ailments. Guess what... it made them feel better because they were high on morphine.

And to clarify, I'm only talking about detox. A good balanced diet is healthy. Exercise is healthy. "Detox" is a marketing term that hopefully, everyone will see as a red flag. It's a $50b industry, though, so I still have some work to do.
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I would say promoting waste removal is usually not a real healthy path to take. If you mean eat a balanced diet with water and fiber then sure, but if you are talking about diuretics and laxatives, then no.

Healthy people don't need assistance in increasing waste removal. Many 'detox' products are just laxatives and fiber. Many of them have banned prescriptions like sibutramine and phenyolphthalein. (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/questions-...-loss-products)
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I'm curious to know what exactly to did in terms of super clean eating.

What you're talking about sounds very different from what the other posters on the thread are talking about, which are pills or supplements or shakes or juice cleanses... the super clean eating , provided that it is balanced, seems like it could give your body the opportunity to flush out pesticides, artificial sweeteners, chemicals, and other non-food stuff that is in a lot of modern [mostly processed] foods.

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I did not eat any red meat, pork, dairy, sugar, gluten, soda, caffeine, or non organic foods for 11 days. There are certain foods that are supposed to naturally assist the body in detoxing. I remember garlic was one of them. There are a ton of them. I will have to do some research to remember the rest.

My neighbor had devised a plan to sell and asked me to trial it. As I said, I felt great by the end. I think it was the lack of gluten and dairy in my diet. As soon as I added those back in, I felt sluggish, bloated, etc again. I never went back to diet soda. I had been drinking about 2-3liters of it a day. Don't judge...at that time I didn't drink, smoke, do drugs, or even have sex...it was my only vice!!
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Did you miss the part about there being absolutely no evidence to support so-called body-cleanses?

There is medical evidence that some cleanse methods disturb the balance of your gut bacteria ... which usually adjusts back to normal in a few days if you are healthy, but you'll be pooping abnormally for those few days.

When I see these things advertised I always wonder what "toxins" people think they are "cleansing" away.
Heavy metals such as lead, for example?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3654245/
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Chelation: Harnessing and Enhancing Heavy Metal Detoxification—A Review
Incidentally, bloodletting is still practised by modern surgeons and doctors:-

https://blogs.exeter.ac.uk/exeterblo...-of-the-leech/
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Bloodletting in Medicine: The return of the Leech


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Heavy metals such as lead, for example?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3654245/
Apples and Oranges. Chelation is not equivalent to a body cleanse nor is it related to this thread discussion.

Nice try though.
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Yeah I guess I was confused by the thread title. I assumed a detox meant cutting down or not consuming certain things (eg alcohol, sugar). I was unaware of this other business.
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Hoe do you know when you have too much metal in your body? Right now, my doctor has me on iron supplements.
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Hoe do you know when you have too much metal in your body? Right now, my doctor has me on iron supplements.
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Apples and Oranges. Chelation is not equivalent to a body cleanse nor is it related to this thread discussion.

Nice try though.
Actually, the subject is Detox / Cleanse.

And, chelation is detoxing.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...t/drc-20354723

Some detoxing is junk. But some isn't.


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Heavy metals such as lead, for example?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3654245/


Incidentally, bloodletting is still practised by modern surgeons and doctors:-

https://blogs.exeter.ac.uk/exeterblo...-of-the-leech/
I have already discussed chelation and why it's different then "detox". Chelation is real, practiced in hospitals by doctors. Detox, as discussed, is a pseudoscientific marketing term.,

In so far as leaches and bloodletting, if you read the article, the original thinking was that leaches sucked your blood and that removed the "toxins". This is bloodletting by definition. But, the actual use in modern medicine and mechanism are very far from bloodletting. It is all spelled out in the link you provided. You will need to read the article and not just the title.

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Actually, the subject is Detox / Cleanse.

And, chelation is detoxing.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...t/drc-20354723

Some detoxing is junk. But some isn't.
I think I did my best to clear up that distinction early on in the thread. But, by including the term cleanse, it made it clear to me that the original poster wasn't referring to any sort of poisoning due to industrial exposure, removal of illicit drugs form their system or some sort of envenomation or poisoning.

One doesn't just decide to detoxify.

Also, I don't believe doctors actually use "detox" as a medical term to describe the treatment for exposure. They will say "Chelation therapy" or "poisoning". Detox in the medical sense specifically refers to removal of alcohol or drugs.

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