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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-09-2019, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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On changing your mind

Wasn't sure if this belonged in the social spot or the politics/religion forum...guess we'll see.

So a friend and I had a discussion/argument today about the most effective way to change people's minds (can be political, social, or any other context). Without going into too much detail, we talked about how much discussion, logic, and debate is productive, and what one should do (if anything) in turn if they feel powerless at changing others' minds.

Questions in order:
  1. When was the last time you genuinely changed your mind or were convinced of a deep belief that you did not previously hold?
  2. If affirmative, was this due to someone else's argument/advertisement/what have you, or a personal life experience? If neither, what happened?
  3. What, if anything, do you think is the best way to change someone's mind? (I'm purposefully leaving "best" vague and up to debate.)


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I guess I should add that one of us was more "pro arguments" and the other was more "pro life-experiences", for context of the discussion.
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1) Recently

2) Combination of both...and some hard introspection.

3) Hard to say...I'm not even sure it's worth the effort most times.
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I can be swayed by facts.
I can be stayed by emotion.

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Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame, talks alot about persuasion. Not sure if he's an actual expert in the subject, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Law/Graduate School had some great profs who were absolute masters of legal theory and presentation!

Just have one of them force you to academically take a stand on some controversial viewpoint other than your own!

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I find that things I believe either get stronger or weaker depending on life experiences and what I see and hear around.
Re my faith and my political beliefs, my beliefs have got stronger over the years. Nothing has happened that has led me to change my mind or alter my course. Plenty has happened that has shown me that its the right course.

As for changing someone else's mind, is that for us to do?

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No one has ever argued me or debated me into changing my mind. That puts me right off. If they want to point me to the relevant literature or information, I'll take a look and decide for myself.

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It is futile to argue for the sake of changing the other personís opinion. And, one should accept opinions as just that, a personís opinion. Information backed by evidence is different matter.


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I can and do change my mind. If someone wants to change my mind, a few simple rules

1) don't shout at me, or accuse me of being fundamentally evil because I disagree

2) Figure out *what* we disagree on. Often in political discussions the disagreement is not over goals but over the best way to achieve those goals.

3) once you have found the key disagreement, then figure out if we disagree with the validity of sources of evidence, if you have different information, or if we have reached different conclusions based on that evidence.


For example I have changed from pro-nuclear to modestly anti-nuclear because I've seen enough evidence that it is not economically viable.
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I've been swayed by vagina all too many times to count...
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Reeducation camps seem to be popular on the left.
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I can and do change my mind. If someone wants to change my mind, a few simple rules

1) don't shout at me, or accuse me of being fundamentally evil because I disagree

2) Figure out *what* we disagree on. Often in political discussions the disagreement is not over goals but over the best way to achieve those goals.
Yeah, my view is pretty similar. If you want to persuade me:
  1. listen to me
  2. play it back to me, until I feel sure that you understand my point of view really well
  3. then and only then, explain your point, disagreeing with as little as possible of what I said.

What not to do: sarcasm, zingers, insults, shouting, censorship.
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I've changed mind due to the reactions that I get.

I decided to stop waiting for the 3rd time, reevaluate. I now reevaluate at the 2nd or even 1st incident that what I've believed is not true.

I can't remember when an individual has persuaded me to change my mind. I'll have to think about it.

My husband has changed his mind on one thing that is very important. On a couple of occasions in which I had talked about conflict with other people and I have thought, I bet she's capable of X. My husband used to tell me that I was crazy and psycho for thinking that because no one could be that cruel. Never mind that my fear that his so called friend would advise him to dump me was validated. and a few other things .....

finally, he has come to the conclusion that I could be right. Which is progress since in the past he would accuse me of being totally wrong....... which would make him totally right in assuming that nothing that I am saying could possibly happen. What an irony that is. I find it a breakthrough. did he change to keep the peace between us or because he realized that since some things did happen that I predicted, that maybe I have some understanding into human nature and that he is not right ALL the time.
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