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VARs and Evidence Gathering

The usual disclaimer of reverse the sexes if necessary, we get mostly betrayed husbands here. Do your legal research etc.

Your wife is acting funny. Her phone and email suddenly have passwords you don't know. She shuts down phone apps or changes windows on the computer whenever you enter the room. She is suddenly staying out until 2 to 5 in the morning. She has new single friends. She has lost weight and is dressing hotter to boot. Her ex contacted her 3 weeks ago and she wants “to meet to catch up at some public place” “I love you but not in love with you.” or version thereof. Any of this sound familiar? If your wife comes home from an alone time does she immediately change liners, change panties possibly even immediately laundering them?, shower? This can be an after the fact clean up.

If you are reading this your gut is going crazy. “Relax”, in that there is a high liklihood that you are not crazy at least. “Your gut” is your basic instinct from the caveman period. There is something up with your mate. It is part of your mind built into you and in your DNA. You probably cant sleep. You are losing weight like crazy and are not hungry. Well if you are reading this and that is 90% of you reading this if its your first time... You are embarking on what is probably going to be the worst time of your life.

Chin up, yes I know it is damn near impossible to believe now, but I and the people at TAM here have taken dozens of men through this process. Some reconcile, most dont in the long run so be aware. Most of us hang around this grim grim place for a sense of “pay it forward” and “getting at the truth” Even in divorce, the long run the majority find love again... yes really. Often selecting a far far better future companion. Read poster BFF for a thread of disaster, divorce, recovery, and a new wonderful woman in his life. Younger and hotter, yes, but also one with better boundaries, often a far far better personality match. Oh and they get to go through that first time with her after the first I love you's have been exchanged. Just know, that for the majority, even if the marriage crashes, in six months, a year, maybe two you will wonder how you got so far so fast and how great your new life is. You will also be MUCH MUCH stronger as a person.

So. Here are your instructions. Do this now. I dont mean next week. I mean make something up within the next day and GET IT DONE! Not looking will only prolong your agony.
Rule 1 for this.
SHUT UP. Eyes open. YOUR mouth closed. confronting only makes them better at hiding.
Rule 2 for this.
SHUT UP. Eyes open. YOUR mouth closed. confronting only makes them better at hiding.
Rule 3 for this.
SHUT UP. Eyes open. YOUR mouth closed. confronting only makes them better at hiding.

NO MORE CONFRONTS!! Play dumb husband for a bit. Dont drive her further underground! Soft confronts with little evidence RARELY WORK AND ONLY MAKE GETTING AT THE TRUTH HARDER!!! THIS PROLONGS YOUR AGONY!

Buy 2 sony ICDPX312 or ICDPX333 voice activated recorders. Best Buy sells them for like 50 bucks. DO NOT BUY a cheap VAR. SONY SONY SONY. USE LITHIUM batteries. We have examples of 25 hour recordings using them on these sony recorders. My icon here IS a Sony ICDPX312. No I do not have stock in nor work for Sony.

Setup instructions are on page 19. Also good stuff on page 31.
Use 44K bit rate for balancing file size vs quality DO NOT USE 8K!!!!! Simply put. The higher the quality the better the sound and 8K sucks. ALSO. The higher the quality the more you can manipulate the mp3 in Audacity.
Set VOR "on" see page 38
See page 40 for adding memory if necessary
Play with it yourself to get familiar. TEST IT OUT
Turn off the beep feature. Its on one of the menus. You can even play prevent defense by going to a dollar store, buying uber-cheapie earbuds, cut off the buds but put in the jack which will actually disable the speaker for additional protection.

Go to Walmart and buy heavy duty velcro.
This is one item: Velcro Heavy-Duty Hook and Loop Fastener VEK90117: Office : Walmart.com
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Purchase VELCRO Hook and Loop Fasteners, Sticky-Back, for less at Walmart.com. Save money. Live better.
The velcro is usually in the fabric section or less often in the aisle with the fasteners like screws. The velcro pack is mostly blue with a yellow top. Clear pack shows the vecro color which is black or white.

Use the velcro to attach the var under her seat UP INSIDE. SECURE IT WELL!!!!!! So well even a big bump wont knock it off. attach one side HD velcro from Walmart to back. USE BIG PIECE
attach other side HD velcro again UP INSIDE car seat. ATTACH THE CRAP out of it. It needs to stay put going over big potholes or railroad tracks.

Put the second VAR in whatever room she uses to talk in when you are not around. If you are a typical man, use your size advantage to put it someplace she cant reach, even on a chair. Beware spring cleaning season if she does it.

I recommend exporting the sound files to your comp. The recorder is very cumbersome for playback.

Amazon has a pen VAR that can be placed in a purse or other small place to get remote conversations. Yes the pen works.

IMPORTANT warning. If you hear another man and perhaps a little kissing or activity... STOP Listening and have a trusted friend listen and tell you what went on. Knowing she is a cheat will kill you. Hearing her moan while another man is inside her will murder you to your very soul!!!!!! You are not strong enough to hear that. Dont try it. I know what I am talking about in this.

If you need clean up the recordings get Audacity. Its free from the internet. I have used it on var work for others here to remove things like engine noise. If needed, I have done var work for four men here. RDMU is the only one who has released some of the confidentiality.

Lets be very clear about what the VAR is for and is not for. It will not be court admissible evidence. It is not for the confrontation. IT IS TO GET YOU AHEAD OF THE AFFAIR so you can gain other real evidence by knowing the who and when. NEVER MENTION YOUR VAR EVIDENCE. As far as the cheater is concerned, they were seen by a PI or something NOT your VAR!!

The ezoom GPS has been found to be easy to buy at Radio shack and useful. There is even a locator webpage you can track with. Amazon sells a semen detection kit called checkmate.

Look for a burner phone. This is a second phone from a prepay service just used for cheating communications. That is often why wives let the husband "see their phone" They don't use their main phone for cheating purposes.

There is an app out there called teensafe. Its for both Iphone and Android. It monitors texts, GPS and facebook. Needs no jailbreak. Not perfect and delayed but no jailbreak required.

Look for an AP called KIK. It is THE app of choice for cheaters as of June 2015. apps on her phone like words with friends. It has a non traceable texting feature.
Here is a list 25 Apps to Help You Cheat On Your Girlfriend | Complex

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If the spouse knows you might think something is up then she will probably use a throw away phone which are very hard to track/crack. For cracking voicemails look at teh call log and if you see numbers like 2243 or random numbers they probably thought they were unlocking voicemail or another password but called it instead!! Setup a google voice account and record your spouses voicemail then use hers for your google voice account voicemail. Next use the call forwarding feature that gvoice will tell you to use to use their voicemail instead of the cell providers vmail. Enter that in her phone. Keep in mind she will not get any voicemails from her phone while you have it activated (YOU are responsible for checking local laws before doing this. Do this as a last resort she might find out!) do Google searches on all the numbers on her phone but dont waste too much time she might have 4 phones lol.

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Setup traps! place small pieces of paper over doors and barely open all drawers so you can tell if she has been into them and shut them all the way. Do this with everything then go out for an hour. She more than likely has a burner phone and is hiding it in close proximity. My wife was hiding hers in an outfit pocket in the back of the closet.
Pay attention is she is being " protective" of certain rooms

If he uses chrome or firefox, there is probably a list of saved passwords you can look at. Even if his email isn't saved there, people usually only use a couple of different passwords, so one from the list might work.

For firefox it's Tools -> Options -> Security -> Saved Passwords

For Chrome it's the little box with three bars in the top right -> Settings - Show advanced settings -> Managed saved passwords

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Is her internet browsers set up to use Google as the default search engine? And does she use a gmail account ? If so, she can delete here browser history all she wants, that only deletes the history that is localbin the browser itself...
https://www.google.com/history.
On ANY computer, navigate to https://www.google.com/history. Log in using her gmail credentials and you'll have all history right there. Cant be deleted unless your wife logs in this same way...she'd only be deleting Chrome, IE, or Firefox history, not the Google history when deleting within the browser itself.

There does not appear to be a function within the Android OS that allows the recall of deleted info as is found on IOS. However, even on Android, When a text is deleted, the OS simply "loses" the address to where it is on the memory chip, but it's still there.

Go to your computer and navigate to Dr. Fone for Android @ Dr.Fone for Android - Android Phone & Tablet Data Recovery SoftwareAndroid Phone Data Recovery.

You can download a trial version if you're operating system is XP/Vista/Win 7/Win 8 all on either 32 or 64 bit.

Download the program to your computer, open it, connect the Android phone to the computer via the micro USB cable and follow the instructions on the Dr. Fone program. You can recover deleted SMS, MMS, photos (yes, this includes SnapChats), vids, and documents.

Not everything is recoverable because the operating system continues to overwrite the data so if you don't recover this data on a regular basis, you may miss some pieces...

But there are also many Android apps that store deleted files and texts, even some that allow you to download and HID the app (ex. ).

They are also in her Spotlight Search...don't even need to connect to a computer. All deleted texts are still held onto. Type in the contact TELEPHONE number and every text, even the deleted ones, will show up in the search.

NOTE ON APPLE. ANY changes lead to notification emails these days so tread VERY lightly on Apple phones.

IOS 7 from any home screen put your finger in the middle of the screen and swipe downward. Enter the telephone number and start reading the hits.

IOS 6 from the first home screen, swipe left, enter the telephone number and start reading the hits.

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After researching the web for countless hours about software to find deleted messages on my wife's iphone I figured out this super easy method.

From the home screen swipe left to right until the spotlight page appears. Its a screen with the key board at bottom and a box at the top that says "search iphone" type your typical search words, anything sexual etc... All past messeges containing the search word will appear on a list, deleted or not. You'll only get the first line but that is usually enough. Just busted my wife again doing this a few days ago!

Rugs: swipe left on your first page of the main menu.

"spotlight search" under settings -> general -> spotlight search has to show "messages" as ticked.

Right here, right now: Taking screenshots on iOS devices -> hold down home button and press sleep button. The screenshot will be placed under your photo album.

Also there is an app to "stitch" messages like a panoramic photo, but only for iPad. go to app store and search "stitch". Damn it's 4 am. i need to go to bed.

Note that this applies only to Spotlight Search in IOS 6 and lower. For IOS 7 running on Iphone 4 and 5, put your finger in the middle of any of the home screens and swipe downward.

Type in the search string you want (telephone number, contact name, keyword, etc) and it will search every instance in the iPhone where that appears.

You may FIRST want to go into the Settings>General>Spotlight Search and then check or uncheck the areas that you want to search - make certain that "messages" and "mail" are CHECKED or else your search will not look into these areas. The same info is on the spot light on the ipad too ! If the settings isnt checked off, you can find all the same history!

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This Google search history page weightlifter mentioned here doesn't just record the search term it records everything spoken into Google Now by voice command. There is a text read out for everything spoken into the phone through Google Now and since Androids later versions have integrated Google Now right into the OS just about everything spoken into an Android phone is saved at https://google.com/history

Commands to call me, entire voice texts, everything said into the phone is right here. I don't even know how it could be deleted if you wanted to. Considering almost everyone has an Android phone and voice command is becoming more popular this is a nice tool for a BS. It even has every Google Maps/Navigator GPS search saved.

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Gus where is my Apple rewrite?

You wanted your name in lights on the above post...
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I really think a dedicated thread like this belongs in the private section, just like in Surviving Infidelity, because it would show up in a search engine query by cheaters on how to avoid detection by their BSs.
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I would agree except;
1) our newbs cant see it.
2) Its here in cwi ?100? times already

Ill throw it out to the peanut gallery (all except me)... Whadya think?
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It'll help a 1000 more than it hurts. A big portion of your info is from "how to cheat". It's public knowledge.
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Gus where is my Apple rewrite?

You wanted your name in lights on the above post...
Ugh... It's coming.

And can this be "stickied"?

Virginia: "Why can't you kids leave well enough alone? Everything was fine until you started digging around."

Burt: "You sound like a Scooby Doo villain."
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Okay, fine. But I will break mine up into separate posts so they are much easier to read.

Top Computer Monitoring Software And Keyloggers
  • For initial investigative purposes to determine if your spouse is cheating
  • Tool for monitoring while in R to insure that your WS has maintained No Contact (NC) - at least through the computer

Best Computer Monitoring Software 2014 | Reviews, Ratings & More

Top software includes Webwatcher, SpyAgent, Spector Pro, eBlaster, etc. These software come in varying degrees of stealth, ease of installation, and ease of use. Most come with tech support, which you can contact if you are having problems. Bottom line is you get what you pay for.

A free keylogger is:

Refog - which has a trial version you can try.
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Ill throw it out to the peanut gallery (all except me)... Whadya think?
Leave it where the majority can see it.

If someone is computer literate they already know how to clear their online tracks. If they are paranoid enough to tear their car apart looking for a VAR or GPS tracker, then you will have to find some other form of surveillance anyway.

Besides, if your gut brings you here and you find all computer evidence erased and the car seats pulled out and laying in the yard, you probably already got your answer.
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Cellphone Monitoring Software

Mobile-Spy

Mobistealth

Spybubble

Advantages of Cellphone Monitoring Software
  • You are able to track messages, even if they use apps
  • Can be used as a VAR - some allow you to listen to what the cellphone microphone picks up from its surroundings.
  • Uploads the call logs, screenshots, audio files to an internet server so the BS can review them when they have time
  • only needs one time access to the phone to install the software.

Disadvantages of Cellphone Monitoring Software
  • May need a few minutes of uninterrupted time to install the software - may be difficult if the WS is guarding their phone
  • May use more data because the software uploads its logs to an internet server
  • If iPhone - may need to jailbreak in order to install software
  • If Android type phone - may need to root the phone in order to install the software
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Semen Detection Kit

Checkmate

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In the off chance that your WS has their password stored in a browser, try WebBrowserPassView. It works with Interne Explorer, Firefox, Google Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc. It's not guaranteed to work, but it will work if your WS was careless enough to click "yes", when the browser prompted them if they wanted to save the password when they logged into a site.


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IF your WS has been using Skype to contact their Affair Partner (AP), then there is a chance to retrieve the Skype logs that are stored on the computer.

SkypeLogView v1.36 - Skype Log Viewer (.dbb and main.db files)

Skype Logs Reader/Viewer (.dbb and main.db files)



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What if it is the work phone you really need access to?
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Perhaps this should be an official sticky post?

http://mygeneralblog1.blogspot.co.uk
http://mygeneralblog1.blogspot.co.uk...-cheaters.html (Be afraid UK cheaters! CheaterVille has come to the UK!
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/bump

Virginia: "Why can't you kids leave well enough alone? Everything was fine until you started digging around."

Burt: "You sound like a Scooby Doo villain."
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